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re: BOIL has become predictable
Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:37 pm to sneakytiger
Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:37 pm to sneakytiger
I can't help myself. I keep buying puts at as close to the day's low as I can get.
Every day. Deeper.
Every day. Deeper.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:16 pm to Iowa Golfer
You must own a sizable piece of the open positions by now
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:31 pm to sneakytiger
2.5% of the one and .0075% of the other.
I see no choice at this point other than to keep average down. My logic is that when UNG was 25ish, the 23 short was in the money, and the 20 short was close. If I average down, in a worst case scenario, I can get out alive at $24.50 or so, which isn't that far away.
I see no choice at this point other than to keep average down. My logic is that when UNG was 25ish, the 23 short was in the money, and the 20 short was close. If I average down, in a worst case scenario, I can get out alive at $24.50 or so, which isn't that far away.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:59 pm to Iowa Golfer
And we're down. Just like that.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:11 pm to Iowa Golfer
Cliff notes? You getting killed?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:31 pm to I Love Bama
Futures are down. I don't know that I'm getting killed, but I'm not done yet.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 5:11 pm to Iowa Golfer
Wish you the best. I love this thread.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:05 pm to Iowa Golfer
What's the word on injection estimates this Thurs?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:34 pm to Iowa Golfer
Is it worth reading all 21 pages?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:51 pm to eng08
July contracts are trading above cash price. Without getting in to contango, backwardation, normal futures curve and inverted futures curve, what this means is that the futures price should start to back down. Unless we have a very unstable cash price.
So today was very disconnected again. UNG went up less than 1%. UNG July 23 puts went down almost 21% to .15, which means bears are scared. I've made pretty decent gains by doing exactly the opposite of what almost everyone else does. That is to say, buy low and sell high. Now everyone talks about doing this, but when the rubber hits the road, very few actually do this (see put prices today). All this framed by natural gas futures moving less than .03, with an upcoming injection report that some are estimating as high as 129.
I by no means see this as a guaranteed profit, but I do see .15 puts as a very well educated risk at this point. With July 23P at .15, I think these contracts turn profitable once UNG dips below $25, which isn't that far off, and could be as soon as Thursday.
So today was very disconnected again. UNG went up less than 1%. UNG July 23 puts went down almost 21% to .15, which means bears are scared. I've made pretty decent gains by doing exactly the opposite of what almost everyone else does. That is to say, buy low and sell high. Now everyone talks about doing this, but when the rubber hits the road, very few actually do this (see put prices today). All this framed by natural gas futures moving less than .03, with an upcoming injection report that some are estimating as high as 129.
I by no means see this as a guaranteed profit, but I do see .15 puts as a very well educated risk at this point. With July 23P at .15, I think these contracts turn profitable once UNG dips below $25, which isn't that far off, and could be as soon as Thursday.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 8:12 pm to Iowa Golfer
HH cash settled down .02.
Cash Henry Hub - 4.570s -0.020
Jul '14 (NGN14) 4.646 +0.006
Aug '14 (NGQ14) 4.631 +0.004
We're headed the right way. Especially the spot prices. Finally. Except I've now seen downward revisions on tomorrow's injections report.
Sorry to be obsessive about this, but I have an extremely large play on this, that lately, I'd be happy to break even on. I know. Keep the faith.
Cash Henry Hub - 4.570s -0.020
Jul '14 (NGN14) 4.646 +0.006
Aug '14 (NGQ14) 4.631 +0.004
We're headed the right way. Especially the spot prices. Finally. Except I've now seen downward revisions on tomorrow's injections report.
Sorry to be obsessive about this, but I have an extremely large play on this, that lately, I'd be happy to break even on. I know. Keep the faith.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 8:26 pm to Iowa Golfer
LOVE that you've put it all out there for us to watch. Best of luck
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:30 am to I Love Bama
There will be blood today one way or another. 5400 July contracts already traded this morning.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:52 am to Iowa Golfer
Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:01 am to Iowa Golfer
6500 contracts. When the report hits there will be huge volume on the July contract today.
Somethtng has to give.
Somethtng has to give.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:04 am to Iowa Golfer
I'm done with gas for life 

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