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re: BOIL has become predictable

Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:37 pm to
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:37 pm to
I can't help myself. I keep buying puts at as close to the day's low as I can get.

Every day. Deeper.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2495 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:16 pm to
You must own a sizable piece of the open positions by now
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10546 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:31 pm to
2.5% of the one and .0075% of the other.

I see no choice at this point other than to keep average down. My logic is that when UNG was 25ish, the 23 short was in the money, and the 20 short was close. If I average down, in a worst case scenario, I can get out alive at $24.50 or so, which isn't that far away.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10546 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:59 pm to
And we're down. Just like that.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
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38340 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:11 pm to
Cliff notes? You getting killed?
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10546 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:31 pm to
Futures are down. I don't know that I'm getting killed, but I'm not done yet.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 5:11 pm to
Wish you the best. I love this thread.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
16732 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:05 pm to
What's the word on injection estimates this Thurs?
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10546 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:09 pm to
Between 120-129.
Posted by Smalls
Southern California
Member since Jul 2009
10260 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:34 pm to
Is it worth reading all 21 pages?
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:11 pm to
Nah just read a page or so.

Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10546 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:51 pm to
July contracts are trading above cash price. Without getting in to contango, backwardation, normal futures curve and inverted futures curve, what this means is that the futures price should start to back down. Unless we have a very unstable cash price.

So today was very disconnected again. UNG went up less than 1%. UNG July 23 puts went down almost 21% to .15, which means bears are scared. I've made pretty decent gains by doing exactly the opposite of what almost everyone else does. That is to say, buy low and sell high. Now everyone talks about doing this, but when the rubber hits the road, very few actually do this (see put prices today). All this framed by natural gas futures moving less than .03, with an upcoming injection report that some are estimating as high as 129.

I by no means see this as a guaranteed profit, but I do see .15 puts as a very well educated risk at this point. With July 23P at .15, I think these contracts turn profitable once UNG dips below $25, which isn't that far off, and could be as soon as Thursday.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10546 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 8:12 pm to
HH cash settled down .02.

Cash Henry Hub - 4.570s -0.020
Jul '14 (NGN14) 4.646 +0.006
Aug '14 (NGQ14) 4.631 +0.004

We're headed the right way. Especially the spot prices. Finally. Except I've now seen downward revisions on tomorrow's injections report.

Sorry to be obsessive about this, but I have an extremely large play on this, that lately, I'd be happy to break even on. I know. Keep the faith.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38340 posts
Posted on 6/4/14 at 8:26 pm to
LOVE that you've put it all out there for us to watch. Best of luck
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10546 posts
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:30 am to
There will be blood today one way or another. 5400 July contracts already traded this morning.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10546 posts
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:38 am to
5700. Crazy. Fun.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10546 posts
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:48 am to
Blood.

LINK
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10546 posts
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:52 am to
Lyrics included here so we can all sing along. Boogity, Boogity, it's NASCAR season.

LINK
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10546 posts
Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:01 am to
6500 contracts. When the report hits there will be huge volume on the July contract today.

Somethtng has to give.
Posted by econ85
Member since Nov 2012
572 posts
Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:04 am to
I'm done with gas for life
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