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Beware Algorithms That Could Collude on Prices
Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:07 pm
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It’s one thing for algorithms to set prices. It’s another thing for algorithms to unfairly raise prices.
A new study shows that this can indeed happen, at least theoretically.
Companies are increasingly using algorithms to help them set prices for air travel, ride sharing, gasoline and a range of other goods. Now, researchers have conducted a series of computer simulations in which pricing algorithms learned, through trial and error and without communicating directly, to collude in maintaining prices above levels that would be expected in open competition. The only instruction the algorithms were given was to maximize profits, though the researchers didn’t tell them how to do this.
To prove that the algorithms were colluding and not just randomly landing, in unison, on inflated prices, the researchers forced one algorithm in each simulation to cut its price. The algorithms then engaged in a price war—but eventually returned together to higher prices. Such behavior, experts say, is a hallmark of collusion, in which companies that have agreed to raise prices above competitive levels occasionally cheat on the collusive arrangement but ultimately fall back in line.
“The question, as we are delegating key managerial tasks to machines, is what shall we expect?” says Emilio Calvano, an author of the study and a professor of economics at the University of Bologna. “One option is that markets will function better—lower prices, perhaps. Or machines can find clever ways to extract more money out of consumers’ pockets. And collusion is a clever way of doing exactly that.”
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:15 pm to rickgrimes
What exactly dictates the value where they eventually land?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:30 pm to castorinho
If prices are rising but no one is entering the market or trying to gain market share, then that’s a good sign something is amiss.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 11:47 pm to C
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If prices are rising but no one is entering the market or trying to gain market share, then that’s a good sign something is amiss
It depends upon the commodity or service, and its time value.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:17 am to rickgrimes
Software can evolve if given the option to do so and a goal. AI is accelerating this potential dramatically.
Around 30 years ago, Karl Sims did an evolution experiment on what was then a super computer. He created a base code for a crude object with the potential for movement and added a minor random "mutation" to each of 300 copies. The one of the 300 that moved became the base for the next 300. This was repeated thousands upon thousands of times. The "creatures" evolved.
LINK Evolved Virtual Creatures
Around 30 years ago, Karl Sims did an evolution experiment on what was then a super computer. He created a base code for a crude object with the potential for movement and added a minor random "mutation" to each of 300 copies. The one of the 300 that moved became the base for the next 300. This was repeated thousands upon thousands of times. The "creatures" evolved.
LINK Evolved Virtual Creatures
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:32 am to rickgrimes
Sounds to me like algorithms are simply better at pricing than humans. They look at things rationally, while humans are emotional. People tend to overvalue win rate and undervalue margin, in my experience.
Also the article specifically says the algorithms didn’t communicate with each other, so I’m not sure why they are calling it collusion. A more efficient market does not necessarily mean lower prices.
Also the article specifically says the algorithms didn’t communicate with each other, so I’m not sure why they are calling it collusion. A more efficient market does not necessarily mean lower prices.
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