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401k Plan adviser fee question

Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19662 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:24 pm
Should participants be paying an adviser fee on index funds that are part of the fund lineup? They don't even get scored in our quarterly scorecard fund review.
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40512 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:35 pm to
Are you asking theoretically or in practice? Because you usually do, but they should be less than .2%. It seemed like you were posting this to complain though.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4584 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:09 pm to
I think he's meaning in addition to his funds.. his 401k plan may have the option to pay for an advisor service for an extra charge to manage their available funds.
Posted by Dellort
Member since Jun 2014
550 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:17 pm to
Yes.

There are thousands of index funds out there, the adviser likely used his/her time to keep you invested in a safe index fund that doesn't track some bizarre set of characteristics and also trades at respectable spreads.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19662 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:39 pm to
Yes, that's a different fee.

We added a brokerage link option where those funds fall outside the adviser fee and that got me wondering about paying the adviser fee on index funds.

The adviser isn't really doing anything and is stubborn so most people are going to just go to the brokerage link option and not pay the adviser fee.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19662 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:40 pm to
I get it but it doesn't take long to do a fund screen and find a large cap growth index fund.

The adviser fee is literally wiping people's match out.
Posted by Maderan
Member since Feb 2005
807 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:14 pm to
Depends. If they are a fiduciary for the plan then a fee on total plan assets is usual. The selection of an index fund is not a big deal to accomplish and the major constraint is typically liquidity. But most index funds are typically in a plan as a concession to low fee pressure and paired with an active fund in the same category.

If they are a commission based advisor then I would say no...but it is probably part of many platforms especially the insurance based ones.
Posted by Dellort
Member since Jun 2014
550 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:16 pm to
quote:

The adviser fee is literally wiping people's match out.


That's definitely way to steep then. Do you happen to know the size of the plan? It might not all be going to the adviser. The issue with small plans is that you have an adviser, third-party administrator, and platform provider all get a cut.

I'm guessing maybe a Nationwide plan?
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19662 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:51 pm to
We don't have much of a match which is part of the problem. We pay a record keeping fee that the company pays. Small plan < $50 million.
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