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re: Zero blame to JJ for clock management.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:17 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:17 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Hey, that's pretty good. But do you have any pictures to illustrate your points because there are some people who won't understand it.
When should he have clocked it?
At 15 seconds when the he and the rest of the offense think that our braindead coaches should be signaling in a play?
At 10 seconds when there are 14 guys on the field and everyone is moving?
At 5 seconds, when Ridley and Shepard aren't set?
Maybe at 3 seconds, but T-Bob has already snapped it on his own.
100% on the coaching staff.
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Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:18 pm to tigerskin
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If you don't prepare
So do you have a link to where Ridley said they don't practice the 2 minute drill????
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:18 pm to ScottieP
That's fine and an acceptable answer but I would still rather 4 plays than 3 right there. The other team wouldn't have had enough time to figure out you were just throwing to tight end there. If not open throw it away, and still have whatever play you want on 4th down.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:18 pm to LSU316
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:19 pm to Rex
quote:
Sean Payton's players don't have to go to class or do homework.
High school players have class and homework. They work 2 minute drills weekly.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:20 pm to just me
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Hey, that's pretty good. But do you have any pictures to illustrate your points because there are some people who won't understand it.
I saw your post. It's right on. LSU fans are almost as braindead as our coaching staff.
If Jefferson calls for the spike as soon as he gets up, they would be raising holy hell for him wasting a down with 20 seconds left.
100% on the coaching staff.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:21 pm to just me
quote:
Hey, that's pretty good. But do you have any pictures to illustrate your points because there are some people who won't understand it.
That was a nice breakdown you did. The spike would have been a bad decision. I think JJ could have done something, though. I'll always say it was the coaches' responsibility to have a plan and the personnel ready to go as soon as JJ gets tackled, but JJ could have called the toss or another play.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:23 pm to tigerskin
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“After the Ole Miss game last season, coach Miles was really stressing about the clock management for like three or four weeks afterwards,” he said. “We were working on it all the time. Then this season, we’ve gotten away from it, and the exact same thing comes right back to bite us. It was like, ‘Wow, this is happening all over again.’ Did we learn from it? Are we doing it all over again? We got extremely lucky to win the game. So, we’ve got to figure out what we’re doing wrong with clock management. They said they were going to fix the problem, but that same exact thing happened again.”
That's all I saw from Ridley in that article based on a quick skimming cause I already read it once from an earlier link on here......still after perusing that paragraph with a damn magnifying glass even I don't see where Ridley says they don't practice the 2 minute drill.
What gives hotrod
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:24 pm to Boh
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I'll go 80% coaches. As quarterback, he could have called a quick play or a spike. After the 4th down conversion, Lee called a play, ran down the field, and got a nice gain to Peterson.
Do you think that the coaches had multiple plays called to Lee in case we converted? It's possible... but I doubt it. If they are so incompetent that they will send Jefferson out there with only 1 play, then they probably did the same with Lee on the 4th and 14.
Obviously the situation as a whole goes on the coaches' shoulders. But, as the guy who tells players the plays and takes snaps, Jefferson could have done more than he did. If it didn't occur to him after his 1 yard run, then he could have discussed with the coaches before going out there. He can initiate the conversation.
Of course, IMO, Lee should have stayed out there in the first place.
People need to go back and look at the last drive. Lee had the offense under control the whole time. After the 4th down everyone was back on the line quick. Us getting to the line so quick actually caused Ut to take a timeout after the Peterson catch. Lee had everything under control.
Enter Jefferson on 2nd down and instant confusion. Jefferson talks to Ridly the Ridley goes and talks to JJ.
Not to mention poor execution of the play by jefferson on the 2nd down run. If he cuts it to the pileon he is either out of bounds or scores. After he is down more confusion.
Miles was the coach during that entire drive. When Lee was in we looked under control, when JJ was in we looked confused.
While I put most of the blame on Miles, the offense is not under control when JJ is in the game.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:25 pm to Boh
quote:Lee didn't have three LSU players running onto the field.
I'll go 80% coaches. As quarterback, he could have called a quick play or a spike. After the 4th down conversion, Lee called a play, ran down the field, and got a nice gain to Peterson.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:25 pm to LSU316
"then this season we've gotten away from it"
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:27 pm to uway
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negatiger bringing down the program. He needs to get with it.
Nice.
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:28 pm to ScottieP
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Lee had the offense under control the whole time
I'm not blaming Lee because our coaching staff takes forever to get a play in, even during the two minute offense, but that was one of the worst two minute drills in history.
We got the ball with over 5:00 left to go and still didn't have time at the end.
Not to mention taking a delay of game on a fourth down, then calling your last time out after clock stoppage.
Lee made a great play on 4th and 14 and a good decision to throw it away on 1st goal, but other than that, that was an awful final drive.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:29 pm to just me
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Lee didn't have three LSU players running onto the field.
This is true, but when have we seen JJ take any kind of charge like that? It was nice to see... and Jefferson could have done the same. He knows better than us whether or not the personnel will get it in time for him to call a play or not. If he yells at the players, they will listen, and he can spike the ball. He can know that the personnel currently in would not work with a pass. If he wants to pass, he can spike it, and give ourselves one play to win.
Of course, this is all hindsight. My observation is just wanting JJ to have taken command at some point. He's probably got more ability than the coaches did (obviously). Coaches were stupid.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:31 pm to tigerskin
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"then this season we've gotten away from it"
so it = 2 minute drill???
look I am not a fan of Miles and he is definitely in over his head and sucks at clock management and player management for that matter....but to say that we don't practice the 2 minute drill based on that is a bit ludicrous IMO
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:33 pm to Antonio Moss
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Lee made a great play on 4th and 14 and a good decision to throw it away on 1st goal, but other than that, that was an awful final drive.
That is just reaching. You want to blame the coaches, which is fine, but you can give Lee a little more credit. He went 7 of 9 for 62 yards on that drive. A couple of mistakes, but all in all, it was not an awful drive. Converted a 3rd and long and a 4th and long with the game on the line.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:38 pm to Antonio Moss
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I saw your post. It's right on. LSU fans are almost as braindead as our coaching staff.
If Jefferson calls for the spike as soon as he gets up, they would be raising holy hell for him wasting a down with 20 seconds left.
100% on the coaching staff.
assuming! If jefferson gets up and gets the offense on the line we have time to call a quick pass play with 20 seconds left. Then time to calm and run a fourth down play.
you can't assume anything. what happened happened. Coaches screwed up and the quarterback on the field looked lost once he got up from being tackled. They each deserve their own share of the blame.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:38 pm to Boh
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Miles is to blame for not having 2 plays called in that situation. But at some point in the 30 seconds your 3rd year qb has to take control of the offense and at least clock it to regroup. Apparently the only person that learned anything from Ole Miss was T-Bob.
agree!Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:38 pm to LSU316
Well explain to me how you interpret what he said.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 1:41 pm to Antonio Moss
Not saying it was JJs fualt but he panics in this situation and would probabley wouldnt have gotten the play off.
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