re: Would LSU be....

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Do you really want me to make you look stupid and pump out the number of draft picks Saban produced while at Michigan State?

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Nope; you just made yourself look stupid. For all the draft picks that Saban "pumped out" while at Michigan St., tell me something: What was the pinnacle of that program's success while under the command of Saban?

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The issue is not the number of players recruited by Miles who turn into NFL draft picks. The issue is whether we can judge Miles' recruiting ability, which has nothing to do with the eventual number of draft picks out of a recruiting class. It has to do with success on the field, which Miles had at Oklahoma State.

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Then how do you explain the fact in his 4th year at Okie State (first year with his recruits) his team regressed from 2nd and 3rd year?

Elite recruits put guys in the league. Thats why Carroll and Saban are recognized at the best. Just because you win doesn't mean you can recruit with the best of them.

Beamer wins all the time yet doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Miles was average at Okie State, didn't recruit at an elite level and has shown NOTHING to prove he can. This year we'll know more.

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Miles wasnt there to coach his recruits so it really doesnt matter how many got drafted in the last 4 years.God, do you think before you type?

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Pathetic.

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I can guarantee you they would be in P/G right now had Saban been at LSU.

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and how can you guarantee that? because bama took them? I don't think they lived up to the pedigree LSU wanted....sorry.....you can have our scraps.

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Bamalover9

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Just because you win doesn't mean you can recruit with the best of them.

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:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Also, by your logic, who's to say Beamer doesn't recruit at an "elite" level? You said that productivity on the field was an indicator of recruiter. Beamer has had success on the field with his recruits. Why isn't he an "elite" recruiter?

yeah, I agree

To be fair...

Nick Saban: 0.5 national championships

Les Miles: 1 whole National Championship

Nick had 1 real good year at LSU, and thats it...And BTW, Saban is winning with shula's players so last year doesn't count toward judging your program. This year you will have a better idea of how Saban is doing (but for sure next year you will know).

and bamalover does sound like one of the LA Tech, ULL, or another of the Louisiana Directional Schools penis envy I love Nick Saban trolls...I love him too, he helped LSU...but now we have a great coach who actually can win a complete national championship (that doesn't lose to UAB, ULM, or any other bottom feeder)

Saban was an up and coming coaching commodity before he came to LSU. LSU is where he made his biggest splash, but he certainly was not a "nobody" like some people say. He had several NFL job offers during his time at MSU, gave them one of their most successful seasons in a long time, produced a lot of NFL talent, and got the program out of the shadow of probation, which it was under when he was hired there.

Here's the summary of the names who were being mentioned after the 1999 season: Dennis Erickson, who could have probably had similar success, but he turned us down- he had just finished his first year at Oregon State. I am absolutely convinced that Butch Davis could have accomplished what Saban did. He was my top choice when Saban left in 2005, and I am still convinced of that given what he's doing at North Carolina- but he turned us down also. The rest of the names being thrown around were career assistants and Emmert was not going to hire someone without head coaching experience. Of these, perhaps Mark Richt is the only one who could have achieved similar success (he coached one more season at FSU before going to UGA).

It's fallacious when people use speculation of other coaches doing a better rebuilding job than Saban did at LSU, because he's the only one who was willing to take the job at the time. Yeah, I am sure Bill Parcells, Steve Spurrier, and a few other elite coaches could have brought LSU to its current level as well. None of them wanted to coach at LSU. How far are we going to take these hypotheticals?

What if LSU had been able to beat Florida State in 1979, and Bobby Bowden became our coach, as he admitted he would have? What if we hired Mack Brown in either 1991 or 1995? There might not have been a need for Saban. But we weren't willing to pay Mack Brown. When our third consecutive coach ran the program into the ground, we finally learned the simple lesson that you get what you pay for.

Saban deserves full credit for changing everything about the program, for the better. He not only met, but exceeded the expectations placed upon him, by every measurable standard. There's really nothing more to the story than that.

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I love him too, he helped LSU...but now we have a great coach who actually can win a complete national championship (that doesn't lose to UAB, ULM, or any other bottom feeder)

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Miles lost his 2002 season opener to Louisiana Tech, and that was in his second year, keep in mind. I was pissed too when we lost to UAB, but coaches hit stumbling blocks when tasked with a rebuilding job, it happens. Mostly because you have to do things like weed out players who audible into super awesome high school plays that cost you the game.