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re: Will this season be make or break for Miles and Crowton, but
Posted on 4/14/10 at 12:26 pm to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
Posted on 4/14/10 at 12:26 pm to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
It definitely is for GC strictly on how the offense performs. If the Tiger offense isn't back at least in the upper half of the SEC then the team could win 10 games and GC will still be gone. LM is a different story. The huge contract and past record will prohibit an involuntary departure for Les for at least two more seasons. Personally I hope he works things out because the fact is there are a lot of good coaches who could not handle the pressure-cooker atmosphere of running the Tiger program. With no recruiting dropoff in sight, LSU is getting perilously close to being viewed as the Notre Dame of the SEC; one top ten class after another but inconsistant in the quest for excellance on the field. Hope and pray this does not happen.
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Posted on 4/14/10 at 1:47 pm to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
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Will this season be make or break for Miles and Crowton, but
not for our program?
For the long term, there is practically never one single make-or-break season for a program. It's almost always possible to recover or fall. For a coach, or for a program over the short term, it can, and yes, 2010 is it for Les Miles and LSU.
Obviously, my opinion of how we'll do in 2010 may be wrong, but I think, regardless of how 2010 goes, it will be a good indicator of how the next couple or few years will go. A bad season, and we stay bad until Miles is gone. Another average season like the last two, and we stay pretty much at that level until he is gone. A great season, and we're back into the elite for a while.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 1:53 pm to tigermike200444
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miles will have a 11-1 season and then head for michigan.its something that will have him laughing at all the ranters who or begging him to stay. get ready it will happen.next thing is we get a new coach and he sinks lsu to the lows that yall havent seen.i remember when todd kinchen was the only reason people attended football games.bad days
The first part of this would actually be a good thing. CLM has never been given a fair shot by most since he took the job after Napoleon bolted. But it would also be unfair to say CLM is not due criticism after what went down last year alone. Either way I am of the opinion that Crouton and Stud will cost CLM his job.....Hope Im wrong.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 1:54 pm to Bobby Moore
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I get in their shite when they say they wish LSU would lose so we could get rid of Miles.............what losers......
Yep. Anyone who wants LSU to fail is a loser, and no fan of LSU. That's why I disagree with Miles' supporters. They want him to stay, which means they want us to fail.
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You know I've heard a lot of people say that and it really pisses me off.
Well, "that" to which you refer is something entirely different from what I quoted above. Miles supporters, on several occasions now this offseason, have expressed the hope that he will have a great season in 2010 and tell us to frick off, and that we will then have a big dropoff. They don't give a shite about LSU, they just want Miles to be personally vindicated. There are a few on the anti-Miles side who want LSU to fail just so Miles is personally embarrassed and fired, but their numbers, at least as seen on this board, are much smaller. Yes, that's right. There are more Miles SUPPORTERS who have openly hoped for LSU to fail (after one year of success under Miles to vindicate him) than there are Miles critics who have done so (in order to get him fired).
Further, those who want him to have a bad season so he can get fired are LESS in the wrong than those who want him to have a great season and leave and the program to fall into bad times.
Both groups have an opinion on Les Miles. The ones who think he's bad will be fine with it if they are proven wrong. But, if they're right, they'd rather it go ahead and be proven sooner than later so we can move on and get a good coach. But the other ones want to be proven right, and then want LSU to lose him and suffer bad seasons. At least the first group, while misguided, have LSU's best interests at heart for the long term.
This post was edited on 4/14/10 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 4/14/10 at 1:59 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Yep. Anyone who wants LSU to fail is a loser, and no fan of LSU. That's why I disagree with Miles' supporters. They want him to stay, which means they want us to fail.
Considering Miles has the highest win % in LSU history...your little argument or whatever doesn't hold much water.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 2:03 pm to Choctaw
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Considering Miles has the highest win % in LSU history...
No, he doesn't. Hal Hunter has a higher one. So did Mike Archer after the 1987 season. Career winning percentage can, under certain circumstances, be misleading for a while, although in the long term it will pretty much tell the tale. Through their first two seasons, and maybe even their first three, Smoke Laval's winning percentage was better than Paul Mainieri's.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 2:04 pm to Choctaw
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Considering Miles has the highest win % in LSU history...your little argument or whatever doesn't hold much water.
What is Miles's winning percentage without Saban's players?
Posted on 4/14/10 at 2:10 pm to Nuts4LSU
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No, he doesn't. Hal Hunter has a higher one. So did Mike Archer after the 1987 season.
are you f'n retarded? Seriously...
Posted on 4/14/10 at 2:11 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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What is Miles's winning percentage without Saban's players?
.785
Posted on 4/14/10 at 2:16 pm to Choctaw
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are you f'n retarded? Seriously...
Seriously, Hal Hunter is undefeated as head coach at LSU. Mike Archer was 10-1-1 after the 1987 season. Both are higher win percentages than Miles'.
What's retarded is using the win percentage only, without any examination of the circumstances that led to it, to judge a coach.
This post was edited on 4/14/10 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/14/10 at 2:22 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Through their first two seasons, and maybe even their first three, Smoke Laval's winning percentage was better than Paul Mainieri's.
Excellent observation. Miles' winning percentage at LSU, while noteworthy, is not the barometer for determining the state of the program or the direction its headed.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 3:05 pm to Bobby Moore
LSU is too loaded with talent, at least through the 2011 recruiting class.
So, with redshirts, any quality coach can come in and win a championship with this team anywhere between now and 2015.
So, with redshirts, any quality coach can come in and win a championship with this team anywhere between now and 2015.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 5:25 pm to Choctaw
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What is Miles's winning percentage without Saban's players?
.785
Really?
He's 51-15 since he got here. That's .773, not .785. So, which games (presumably losses) was he coaching with Saban's players that you are taking out of the equation?
Posted on 4/14/10 at 5:38 pm to KnoxvilleBerryTiger
Please stop making these threads
Posted on 4/14/10 at 7:08 pm to Nuts4LSU
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He's 51-15 since he got here. That's .773, not .785. So, which games (presumably losses) was he coaching with Saban's players that you are taking out of the equation?
my bad, .773 then.
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