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re: Why doesn't Jai Eugene
Posted on 4/5/09 at 6:47 pm to General
Posted on 4/5/09 at 6:47 pm to General
quote:Hawkins made the most of his opportunities, and made a few great plays. Eugene was pretty forgettable when on the field.
So Eugene isn't subject to the same mistakes? Not hard to be underwhelming when your forced to play 10 yards off the L.O.S.
I was a huge fan of Eugene's when he signed with us. . .However, two years ago when I saw both come in during garbage time Hawkins wow'd, while Eugene depressed me.
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Posted on 4/5/09 at 6:50 pm to ATLTiger
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Hawkins side was thrown on a good bit, but I think that was a scheme thing as much as anything. The LCB side since Pelini was here generally lined up a bit farther off the LOS than the other side. It's like they used that side to bait shorter routes and then jump em (think Zenon) or to have that CB be the 3rd guy in 3 deep. Also he gave up more than those 2 tds to Arky, I counted 2 he gave up the week before against Ole Miss.
That said, I like Hawkins and think if he can be more consistent with the good plays he made (the INT that shoulda been against Arky, some of his plays against Julio, and his play in the 2nd half against Troy to name a few), he'll be pretty good.
The question isn't how great Hawkins is, he isn't. The question was why is Hawkins starting over Eugene. Hawkins is quite obviously better than Eugene.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 6:57 pm to Roaad
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However, two years ago when I saw both come in during garbage time Hawkins wow'd, while Eugene depressed me.
Not gonna argue with that. Eugene admitted that he didn't know what to do and it showed in the UK game. People remember Hawkins because he made a few int's where as Eugene dropped them or knocked the ball down.
I think it comes down to the positions they play. We see them as CB's but the coaches may see them as LCB and RCB. In that scenario Hawk and Eugene wouldn't be competing against each other.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 7:05 pm to General
quote:As long as PP wears pads and a uniform on Saturday, Hawkins and Eugene will be competing with each other.
In that scenario Hawk and Eugene wouldn't be competing against each other.
This post was edited on 4/5/09 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 4/5/09 at 7:17 pm to tubucoco
Hawkins is a better cover-back. He played very well last year amidst all the confusion!! He got burnt twice against Ark, but on the second td he was supposed to cover short and have the safety provide help deep. Unfortunately, the safety was on the ground with an ankle injury and didn't provide the expected help. He played great against GT in the bowl game. Jai will have his chance this year and the next.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 7:22 pm to someoldhussy
In the Miss. St.game, Hawkins gave up plenty of receptions, and in the Troy game Hawkins gave up over 100+ against the same receiver. They put in the backup and he still was 10 yds. off the receiver and gave up the slant over and over. Hawkins is average at best. (aka D. Hookfin)
Posted on 4/5/09 at 7:29 pm to Roaad
man, if you can't see that Eugene is a more fluid athlete than Hawkins, your eyes is in your arse, Peterson deserves to be the lockdown starter on one side, but they should have a ongoing battle between Hawkins and Eugene on the other side. Hawkins made as many mistakes as Eugene did last year, but the difference was Eugene had Peterson breathing down his neck.
Eugene played QB in HS and is a much more naturally gifted athlete than Hawkins, if I had someone like Peterson behind me I would be making mistakes also, the competition last year should have been Hawkins side.
Eugene played QB in HS and is a much more naturally gifted athlete than Hawkins, if I had someone like Peterson behind me I would be making mistakes also, the competition last year should have been Hawkins side.
This post was edited on 4/5/09 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 4/5/09 at 7:37 pm to el capitan
I've read most of the posts on here and it's hilarious to me 
makes you wonder what they were watching last season, Hawkins gets a couple of INT's in one game off of bad passes and suddenly he's a cover corner what about the rest of the season when he got beat all over the place, and for the people out there askin me about forms, just watch Eugene run WR's and Hawkins run with them, that is all you need to do.
true, Eugene had his problems, but he is an athlete tryin to learn to be a CB, at least he was runnin with the WR's, Hawkins was 10 yards off them and still got beat.
makes you wonder what they were watching last season, Hawkins gets a couple of INT's in one game off of bad passes and suddenly he's a cover corner what about the rest of the season when he got beat all over the place, and for the people out there askin me about forms, just watch Eugene run WR's and Hawkins run with them, that is all you need to do. true, Eugene had his problems, but he is an athlete tryin to learn to be a CB, at least he was runnin with the WR's, Hawkins was 10 yards off them and still got beat.
This post was edited on 4/5/09 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:01 pm to tubucoco
What bug plays has Hawkins made?
He intercepted a pass on 4th down against Auburn, when he should have knocked it down. That's about it.
He intercepted a pass on 4th down against Auburn, when he should have knocked it down. That's about it.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:03 pm to Roaad
the coaching staff didnt jai any justice. The guy is 5'7 tops and hes playing 10 yards off the ball, then backpeddling for another 5 when the ball is snapped. A guy his size needs to disrupt the receiver's route with physical play at the line
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:08 pm to glenoaks
wrong corner pa, you must be talkin about Hawkins, Eugene played up close most of the time and tried to run with them, probably, no def a mistake on his part because he wasn't experienced enough for that.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:13 pm to tubucoco
quote:First, as an English teacher, your grammar justifies my paycheck and the need for my profession. . .
man, if you can't see that Eugene is a more fluid athlete than Hawkins, your eyes is in your arse
Secondly, Eugene is a physical corner, Hawkins is the quick cover guy.
They have their strengths and weaknesses, but to say that Eugene is more athletic than Hawkins at this point is just absurd.
Eugene will be an outstanding Nickel guy, and should start his SR year.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:14 pm to tubucoco
I'd like to see Eugene play up to his potential and win the starting job; but I might be a tad biast towards him because he went to my high school.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:14 pm to glenoaks
quote:They didn't do Hawkins any justice either. A guy as quick as Hawkins should be closer to the line.
the coaching staff didnt jai any justice.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:15 pm to EllisD
quote:I would LOVE to see Jai live up to his hype.
I'd like to see Eugene play up to his potential and win the starting job; but I might be a tad biast towards him because he went to my high school.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:15 pm to tubucoco
^^^
I didnt see any corners play close to the line of scrimmage last year, even on 3rd and 4th downs. teams were picking us apart all year.
I didnt see any corners play close to the line of scrimmage last year, even on 3rd and 4th downs. teams were picking us apart all year.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:16 pm to glenoaks
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I didnt see any corners play close to the line of scrimmage last year, even on 3rd and 4th downs. teams were picking us apart all year.
It happened on occasion. . .just never on passing downs.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:25 pm to Roaad
quote:then I suggest you stick with that because you certainly don't know football.
First, as an Engilsh Teacher, your grammar justifies my paycheck and the need for my proffession...
quote:my point, Hawkins hip movement is not fluid enough to turn and run with a WR, that is why he tends to play off a WR.
Secondly, Eugene is a physical corner, Hawkins is the quick cover guy.
quote:almost as absurd as your theory, Eugene was an athlete in HS, fact, recruited with that in mind, he is learning how to play CB, Hawkins is supposed to be a CB already, all you have to do is watch them run with receivers to see who the better athlete is, but you probably don't know anything about that.
They have there strength and weaknesses, but to say Eugene is more athletic than Hawkins at this point is just absurd.
This post was edited on 4/5/09 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:28 pm to glenoaks
quote:Eugene did you had to watch him, but like I said earlier he wasn't readt for that because he's learning hot to be a CB, Peterson played up tight on occassions also, but he is a natural CB.
I didn't see any corners play close to the line of scrimmage last year,
Posted on 4/5/09 at 8:28 pm to tubucoco
im not trying to just in yall fight but hawkins wasnt a "cornerback" coming out of high school either.
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One of the state's most coveted defensive back prospects ... Rated as the nation’s No. 22 cornerback by ESPN and No. 9 safety by Rivals.com ... Member of the Baton Rouge Advocate Super Dozen, the New Orleans Times-Picayune’s Top 20 Blue-Chip list as well as the Mobile Register Super Southeast 120 ... Saw limited action as a senior due to an ankle injury ... Did manage to rack up 1,397 yards and 18 touchdowns as a running back ... Averaged 6.4 yards per carry as a senior ... Caught 10 passes for 224 yards and three TDs as a wide receiver ... Had productive junior and sophomore campaigns tallying over 2,400 all-purpose yards ... All-around athlete who earned letters in track and basketball as well ... Competed in the 100 meters, 200 meters and long jump in track ... Coached by John Guerin
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One of the state's most coveted defensive back prospects ... Rated as the nation’s No. 22 cornerback by ESPN and No. 9 safety by Rivals.com ... Member of the Baton Rouge Advocate Super Dozen, the New Orleans Times-Picayune’s Top 20 Blue-Chip list as well as the Mobile Register Super Southeast 120 ... Saw limited action as a senior due to an ankle injury ... Did manage to rack up 1,397 yards and 18 touchdowns as a running back ... Averaged 6.4 yards per carry as a senior ... Caught 10 passes for 224 yards and three TDs as a wide receiver ... Had productive junior and sophomore campaigns tallying over 2,400 all-purpose yards ... All-around athlete who earned letters in track and basketball as well ... Competed in the 100 meters, 200 meters and long jump in track ... Coached by John Guerin
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