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re: Why did Chavis totally abandon the blitz?
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:43 am to booky
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:43 am to booky
Its simple.
The blitz would have killed us. Chavis knew he was going up against a quick releasing, fast decision making QB, who was accurate enough to hit his athletic WR's in space to make a play.
Counter? Man up. Chavis thought LSU secondary >>> WVU WR's So if Geno Smith threw the ball he had to be pinpoint. Which is why they threw the ball down the field past 15 yards the fewest times all season.
Chavis and the defense basically said, "Go ahead and throw. You better dam well make sure you make the correct read and be dead on accurate or you will pay".
I think for the most part it worked. Also a blitz would open us up for a lot of screen plays, which WVU LOVES to run or a draw play.
The blitz would have killed us. Chavis knew he was going up against a quick releasing, fast decision making QB, who was accurate enough to hit his athletic WR's in space to make a play.
Counter? Man up. Chavis thought LSU secondary >>> WVU WR's So if Geno Smith threw the ball he had to be pinpoint. Which is why they threw the ball down the field past 15 yards the fewest times all season.
Chavis and the defense basically said, "Go ahead and throw. You better dam well make sure you make the correct read and be dead on accurate or you will pay".
I think for the most part it worked. Also a blitz would open us up for a lot of screen plays, which WVU LOVES to run or a draw play.
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Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:44 am to WylieTiger
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I'll add that if Randle doesn't drop that TD pass, they fold the tents and we win 41-14 at worst. Couple that with the missed FG, the momentum immediately shift. I noticed Hatcher was replaced by Muncie after allowing that 72 yard pass on the next drive.
I think you are right, that would have been one HUGE psychological advantage, as it turned out, they scored and regained confidence.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:47 am to rbdallas
I agree also. I don't remember what coach it was, but a coach once said that momentum is the biggest factor in college football. You let momentum get away from you and you can quickly lose to an inferior team. That pass caught would have had the same effect as Mo's return, only the score would have been different.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:47 am to rbdallas
quote:This. In the MS State game, it was the opposite. Chavis had so much confidence in the D that he just called his D-play and overwhelmed the Offense - whatever they called. He disrupted their Offense with his attack mode. The D was actually dictating the game.
Chavis would always go into the read and react instead of attack mode.
That was not the case last night. All future opponents will take note of this. It will be tougher going the rest of the year as a result of last night.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:48 am to amarti9
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I think for the most part it worked.
I guess we do not use the same definition of WORKED...Geno had 463 yards passing.
The LSU PLAYERS in O, special teams and D, won this game..I do not like the D plan in the second half at all.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:49 am to rbdallas
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Our D scheme / plan sucked, had it not been for the outstanding effort of the D "players", the Offense and the Special teams, we would have lost. The game plan in D, was not good....550 + yards...not a good game plan. --------------- A little memory from the people in TENN and why they did not like Chavis comes to me. Tenn never could beat FLORIDA (a passing team) with a solid Off line because Chavis would always go into the read and react instead of attack mode. I thought that this was his way of looking a passing offenses, but for the UO game we were in the attack mode, now feel it is because their line was smaller. I now believe that when Chavis faces a Passing Team with a strong front, all he knows is read-react. This will lose games for us as it did for TENN. Our play and players won the game, not our D plan. We have got to figure out some other method..make no mistake..many notes were taken by other coaches last night.
I agree but most teams remaining on the schedule don't have the players at Qb and we to pull off the air raid. Maybe Arky and that's more of a pro concept not air raid. I think we will be fine against teams that like to be balanced cause no one can run on us.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:49 am to amarti9
quote:So we wound up getting less killed...
The blitz would have killed us.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:50 am to tjohn deaux
If LSU does this kind of mess during the Fl or Bama game, it's not gonna be a good outcome. We must access our opponent, attack our opponent and finish off our opponent. This slacking off in the second half won't do against an SEC team.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:51 am to rbdallas
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This. In the MS State game, it was the opposite. Chavis had so much confidence in the D that he just called his D-play and overwhelmed the Offense - whatever they called. He disrupted their Offense with his attack mode. The D was actually dictating the game.
I agree on MS also....our attack mentality was still there. In WV, I saw Geno with all the time in the world in the 2nd half. We seemed to rush 3 players most of the time (sometimes 4) and could not get there......too good a QB for too much time.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:52 am to Chriswc73
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If LSU does this kind of mess during the Fl or Bama game, it's not gonna be a good outcome. We must access our opponent, attack our opponent and finish off our opponent. This slacking off in the second half won't do against an SEC team.
make no mistake... AL and FL are looking at this game video over and over.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:53 am to Chriswc73
quote:Like my grand-pappy used to say (bless his soul),"I never saw a quarterback complete a pass sitting on his rear-end".
We must access our opponent, attack our opponent and finish off our opponent.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:54 am to amarti9
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The blitz would have killed us. Chavis knew he was going up against a quick releasing, fast decision making QB, who was accurate enough to hit his athletic WR's in space to make a play.
My issue is no adjustments were made. They were obviously effective vs the initial plan. It's a little much to ask 4 DL to create pressure against 6 blockers and sometimes 7 blockers. LSU needs to attack to be effective on defense. This bend but don't break bs will get you beat eventually. I hope we attack Florida in a few weeks.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:57 am to tigerpawl
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Like my grand-pappy used to say (bless his soul),"I never saw a quarterback complete a pass sitting on his rear-end".
your paw paw was one smart fellow...
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:57 am to tigerpawl
As much as I like Chavis, sometimes his game plan is just not all that.
However, the bottom line is we got the W, are 4 -0 after playing 3 Top 25 teams away from TIger Stadium and we look as impressive overall as any team in the nation right now.
2/3 of the regular season to go - one game at a time ...
However, the bottom line is we got the W, are 4 -0 after playing 3 Top 25 teams away from TIger Stadium and we look as impressive overall as any team in the nation right now.
2/3 of the regular season to go - one game at a time ...
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:58 am to tigerpawl
As much as I like Chavis, sometimes his game plan is just not all that.
However, the bottom line is we got the W, are 4 -0 after playing 3 Top 25 teams away from TIger Stadium and we look as impressive overall as any team in the nation right now.
2/3 of the regular season to go - one game at a time ...
However, the bottom line is we got the W, are 4 -0 after playing 3 Top 25 teams away from TIger Stadium and we look as impressive overall as any team in the nation right now.
2/3 of the regular season to go - one game at a time ...
Posted on 9/25/11 at 8:09 am to tigerpawl
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We must access our opponent, attack our opponent and finish off our opponent. Like my grand-pappy used to say (bless his soul),"I never saw a quarterback complete a pass sitting on his rear-end".
I'm torn because we didn't even see a blitz late in the game to give us the ability to see if it would have worked. On the other hand, how many dropped INTs did our backs have. We need to work on catching the ball (Off and Def).
Posted on 9/25/11 at 8:09 am to amarti9
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Counter? Man up. Chavis thought LSU secondary >>> WVU WR's So if Geno Smith threw the ball he had to be pinpoint. Which is why they threw the ball down the field past 15 yards the fewest times all season.
Hopefully we keep in mind that Geno was only averaging 7.1 per pass attempt despite all the yardage.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 8:15 am to WylieTiger
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I'll add that if Randle doesn't drop that TD pass, they fold the tents and we win 41-14 at worst. Couple that with the missed FG, the momentum immediately shifted
That's the way I look at it- Randle makes that catch, game is over, & Mett is playing the whole 4th Quarter...
Posted on 9/25/11 at 8:21 am to rbdallas
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make no mistake... AL and FL are looking at this game video over and over.
You people crack me up, do you honestly believe that al and fl will completely abandon their style of offense in favor of the holgorson spread for one week when they play LSU? I guess Saban will abandon their run game with Richardson and Lacey so that AJ can throw 50 WR screens.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 8:23 am to tigerpawl
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Chavis would always go into the read and react instead of attack mode.
This. In the MS State game, it was the opposite. Chavis had so much confidence in the D that he just called his D-play and overwhelmed the Offense - whatever they called. He disrupted their Offense with his attack mode. The D was actually dictating the game.
That was not the case last night. All future opponents will take note of this. It will be tougher going the rest of the year as a result of last night.
Er...big difference between MissSt and WVU spread. Huge difference.
LSU just let WVU pass themselves out.
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For one thing, much of the damage was quantity over quality: WVU put the ball in the air 64 times, which is exhausting even to type, for an uninspiring 6.6 yards per attempt. For another, giving up a few yards didn't stop the Tigers from coming out ahead the vast majority of the time: Only three of the Mountaineers' 14 offensive possessions resulted in points, compared to six that ended with punts and four that were halted by turnovers. And for a third: Once again, no team in America exploits "hidden yards" with the ruthless efficiency of LSU.
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Get your eyes off the passing yards and on the results.
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