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re: Why can't good highschool qbs realize that the qb position is the missing link

Posted on 2/7/15 at 6:13 pm to
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
13164 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 6:13 pm to
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Maybe it's coaching that needs to improve.


Nah. Coaching at LSU is top shelf when it comes to QB...
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 6:33 pm to
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So you are basically saying that Mett was just slightly better than Jennings and that next year we should expect a "Pro-like" year out of AJ?


Im just pointing out that Mett didnt have a great year his first year starting and he had nfl physical talent.
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'm not sure about your stats

Facts about Mett's 2012 season
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think we are pretty much fricked unless Harris improved greatly and is given a chance. 


What really sucks is that Harris still doesnt have meaningful experience.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 6:49 pm to
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Good qbs at lsu would have produced more national championships. If good qbs come to Baton Rouge, think it would be smart on their part!


Um. Good Quarterbacks are also sensible enough to look at history and not assume they're the exception.

A 4 Star QB looking at LSU right now sees the following:
AJ 4 Star coming out of HS
BH 4 Star
Rettig 4 Star
Jarrett Lee 4 Star
Jordan Jefferson 4 Star

Now look. I realize star ratings aren't an exact science, but a recruit looking at LSU right now sees a string of 4 star QBs who have not exactly had great results. A recruit can assume they were all incapable, or, maybe there's a problem.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
13164 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 7:24 pm to
You are truly delusional.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 7:33 pm to
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think that the "good" QBs look at Les Miles and say....nahhhhhhhhhh. Why would ANY good QB prospect want to come the LSU after seeing what recent history has shown


Ive never seen a fan base more willing to eat its own than us. The LSU fan base is the most "glass half empty" fan base in cfb .
During Miles' tenure we have had some bad offenses, BUT it never gets mentioned that Miles' has had 4 of the best lsu offenses of all time. 2006,2007,2011,&2013 were all great offenses.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 7:36 pm to
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You are truly delusional.


Right because pointing out anything positive about qbs at lsu is delusion. He didnt write the article. No one affiliated with LSU wrote the article.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:16 pm to
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BUT it never gets mentioned that Miles' has had 4 of the best lsu offenses of all time. 2006,2007,2011,&2013 were all great offenses.

:sigh:


I'll just leave this here:
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NOTE: Prior to 2002, bowl statistics were not counted toward NCAA official season statistics

So the year prior to 2002, LSU had 6013 yards of offense, of which 4022 were passing yards. Tell me, what is Miles best years for passing yards? (including those SECCG and bowl yards)

06 - 3272 (11-2) Russell under Jimbo
13 - 3263 (10-3) All NFL lineup !!
07 - 3154 (12-2) (14 games)
05 - 2912 (11-2) Russell under Jimbo

08 - 2617 (8-5)
12 - 2607 (10-3)
09 - 2363 (9-4) Jefferson
11 - 2135 (13-1) Jefferson (14 games)
14 - 2118 (8-5) Jennings
10 - 2023 (11-2) Jefferson


Sad, isn't it? Miles best year passing is still 800 yards less than LSUs year, before the NCAA even began including post season stats.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:23 pm to
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Sad, isn't it? Miles best year passing is still800 yards less 


What? METT was 260 yards away from breaking the single season passing yards record in 2014.
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06 - 3272 (11-2) Russell under Jimbo 
13 - 3263 (10-3) All NFL lineup !! 
07 - 3154 (12-2) (14 games) 
05 - 2912 (11-2) Russell under Jimbo 



Youre a fricking idiot. You dont give him credit for Qbs that were good but blame him for bad qbing.

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Tell me, what is Miles best years for passing yards? (including those SECCG and bowl yards) 


Offense isnt just about passing yards, dumbass.you dont know football if you think 2006,07,11,&14 were great offenses.

2006-lsu was 19th in the ncaa in passing yards per attempt
2007-lsu was 4th in the ncaa in passing yards per attempt
2011-lsu was 40 th in passing yards per attempt
2013-lsu was 3rd in the ncaa in passing yards per attempt.


Miles doesnt run a HUNH so our totals are gonna be lower. Using total passing yards is bullshite because it is heavily skewed by the amount of plays you run.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 9:31 pm
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:35 pm to
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Youre a fricking idiot. You dont give him credit for Qbs that were good but blame him for bad qbing.

:sigh:

My young padawan learner, I was giving Jimbo all the credit for 3 of Miles top 4 years. Since his Qbs were Miles best years, and the fact that he also developed Ponder, Manuel, and Winston since he left, and well Miles, hasnt
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Offense isnt just about passing yards, dumbass

:sigh:

Grasshopper, the title of this thread is about the QBs, not the RBs. If you want to include rushing yards as a marker of success, then the triple option of Ga Tech is what you seek

or maybe compare the playoff teams to LSU in passing yards per game (since they didn't play the same number of games). Its a passing threat that LSU lacks in the Miles era that separates them from being a championship team

278 ypg - Bama
303 ypg - Fla St
247 ypg - Ohio St
313 ypg - Oregon
163 ypg - LSU

Now go wax on, wax off
Posted by 337Tigah
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:37 pm to
Do you seriously not realize who Brandon Harris is?

/End stupid thread
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:46 pm to
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My young padawan learner, I was giving Jimbo all the credit for 3 of Miles top 4 years. Since his Qbs were Miles best years, and the fact that he also developed Ponder, Manuel, and Winston since he left, and well Miles, hasnt 


Wrong. 2011&2013 were Miles' best years.lsu's best offense was 2013. Mett became just the third player in LSU history to pass for 3,000 yards in a season in 2013 with 3,082 yards … Is the only player in LSU history to have back-to-back seasons of 2,500 yards or more (threw for 2,609 yards in 2012) … Led one of the most proficient offenses in school history in 2013 as the Tigers racked up 465 points (No. 4 in LSU history) and 5,893 total yards (No. 2 in LSU history) … Behind Mettenberger, LSU set the school record for total yards per game (453.3) and rushing touchdowns in a season (37) … LSU also led the nation in third-down conversion rate in 2013 at 57 percent (92-of-161) … The Tigers averaged 251.0 passing yards per game (No. 4 in school history) with 3,263 passing yards (No. 3 in school history) … Twice named a permanent team captain by his teammates in 2012 and 2013.
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Grasshopper, the title of this thread is about the QBs, not the RBs. If you want to include rushing yards as a marker of success, then the triple option of Ga Tech is what you seek 



Grasshopper? Bruh youre regarded as one of the dumbest posters on this site. Youre not proving anything except your ignorance. Miles has had good qb play in 2006,2007,2009,2011,&2013 FACTS PROVE IT.
Also the SEC that Miles coaches in is the greatest era of sec football ever. Its laughable that you give Jimbo credit for good qb play but put bad qb play on Miles.

Miles developed JLee and JJ into decent qbs in 2011.
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Now go wax on, wax off



What the frick does this mean , boy? You dont know shite about football.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 9:48 pm
Posted by rzd30
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2008
1108 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:51 pm to
Very few freshmen QBs are successful at this level. Our "fans" forget this. Age and experience win out.

That is why it is imperative to recruit a QB every year, even if he is not the Top-QB in the nation. Because by year 3-4 after developing, he will be ready.

Anthony Jennings and Brandon Harris were thrown into the fire. If you look at the best teams year in and year out in the SEC and any other conference, league, or division in America. By and large the most successful teams have QBs that have been developed and had time to grow.

My point is, it is no single person's fault that we have had sub-par QB play for some of Coach Miles tenure, because we have also had very good QB play, some of our "fans" just selectively remember the bad.

If anyone does not have trust in a man as respected as Cam Cameron you will never have faith in any coach.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:54 pm to
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My point is, it is no single person's fault that we have had sub-par QB play for some of Coach Miles tenure, because we have also had very good QB play, some of our "fans" just selectively remember the bad. 



Exactly. Every year weve had bad qb play was because the qbs were extremely young and inexperienced.2008,2010,2014. 2 of those years, Miles was expecting RP7 as the starter. Even Mett had a bad first year as a starter.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:03 pm to
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What the frick does this mean

JaxTiger10. Is 10 your age?

Mett spent a year at UGa, a year at Juco before he ever set foot on LSU soil. Then he spent a year watching Lee and JJ take all the reps.

Yet you tell me he was one of the best QBs in LSU history, and Miles let him sit behind two of the worst
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Miles developed JLee and JJ into decent qbs in 2011.



That's all anyone needs to read to know youre clueless. Lee developed so well that Miles couldn't wait to bench him for a QB that threw for about 75 yards, IN THE LAST TWO GAMES of his career, combined.

So Aristotle, continue to enlighten us with your wisdom
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:22 pm to
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Mett spent a year at UGa


Wrong dumbass. Mett enrolled at UGA in the fall of 2009 and was dismissed in april of 2010. Thats roughly 5 months. Again you don't know what youre talking about.

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Yet you tell me he was one of the best QBs in LSU history, and Miles let him sit behind two of the worst 


Mett had one of the best seasons ever for an lsu qb. Fact.
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That's all anyone needs to read to know youre clueless. Lee developed so well that Miles couldn't wait to bench him for a QB that threw for about 75 yards, IN THE LAST TWO GAMES of his career, combined. 


JLee led the sec in passing efficiency in 2011. Before he played 2 top 5 defenses (uga and bama) JJ's 2011 stats were 7 tds -1int 61 compl% and a qb rating of 138.7 (higher than Flynn's qb rating in 07).

Facts prove JLee and JJ had good senior seasons. Ill take facts over your ignorant opinion.

Youre just another xbox coach that thinks he knows football. You dont. Deal with it.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 10:24 pm
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:27 pm to
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Even Mett had a bad first year as a starter.

Why do you keep yammering on about how well Saban and Richts recruits have done as our QB. Luke, the emperor has been here 10 freakin years, convince me who he has developed into an NFL QB IN TEN YEARS!!

Brandon Harris (1 start, then black holed)
Hayden Rettig - left LSU
Anthony Jennings - turrbl
Jeremy Liggins - never made it, but supposedly had the chest Gunnar didnt
Gunnar Kiel - no chest
Stephen Rivers - left LSU
Jarrard Randall - left LSU
Zach Lee - left LSU
Chris Garret - left LSU
Russell Shepard - never played a down
Jordan Jefferson - 75 yards passing in last two games, combined
Jarrett Lee - benched for the guy above
Ryan Perrilloux - left LSU
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:36 pm to
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Mett enrolled at UGA in the fall of 2009 and was dismissed in april of 2010. Thats roughly 5 months.

Youre a teenager arent you?

You do know the Spring term ends in May? So, Mett used up his RS year by remaining until April. He also participated in the Spring game, or is you stupid?
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Redshirt freshman Zach Mettenberger had the better numbers and looked sharp throwing the ball this past Saturday in the Bulldogs' G-Day spring game. But with Mettenberger being suspended for at least the first game, most signs continue to point to either redshirt freshman Aaron Murray or junior Logan Gray being the No. 1 guy to open the season.

Richt, though, isn't ready to go that far.

"I know everyone wants to know what’s going on and wants to know who the starter is, and I couldn’t name the starter right now if I wanted to,” he said. “I really don’t think I could.”

Mettenberger went 6-of-10 for 150 yards and two touchdowns, and Murray finished 10-of-22 for 96 yards.

Mett was ready to go before he left UGa, you colossally, impaired imbecile
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:39 pm to
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Why do you keep yammering on about how well Saban and Richts recruits have done as our QB


Youre stupid and regarded as one of the dumbest posters on this site. You still breathing makes me question survival of the fittest.
Im done with you.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 10:39 pm
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:41 pm to
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Mett was ready to go before he left UGa, you colossally, impaired imbecile



No he wasnt. As seen by his 2012 season where he 12 tds and 7-ints. I cant argue with someone that doesnt understand football. Only a complete idiot would say an 18 year old true freshman was don6e developing after being in a cfb program FOR 5 MONTHS.Not a year. 5 months.
How much does it hurt your count to know Miles is the most successful coach in lsu history?

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He also participated in the Spring game, or is you stupid? 

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He was in UGA'S football program for 5 months. 5 months.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 10:43 pm
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:49 pm to
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JJ's 2011 stats were 7 tds -1int 61 compl% and a qb rating of 138.7 (higher than Flynn's qb rating in 07).

OK, its starting to get embarrassing for you

The NCAA only recognizes stats for players that participated in 75% of games, meaning in 2011JJ would have had to thrown passes in 11 of the 14 games

He didnt.

The rule is put in place to keep people from using ignorant comparisons against players who faced 6 ranked teams, to the 3 that JJ faced
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