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re: Why can't good highschool qbs realize that the qb position is the missing link
Posted on 2/7/15 at 6:00 am to Bojangles
Posted on 2/7/15 at 6:00 am to Bojangles
very true!! It's very mental and for some reason all we seem to attract are the ones that just don't have the mental abilities.
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 6:36 am to boxcar willie
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we averaged 250 yards per game passing WITH Mett at QB and with OBJ and Landry to throw to. Didn't exactly light it up. Pretty pedestrian compared to what a lot of schools are doing these days with much less to work with. Not a lot there to entice a great high school QB who wants to show off what he can do.
Actually, that's not pedestrian. Mett played in 12 games and averaged 256.8 ypg. That was good for 27th in the country. He had 3082 yards which was good for 27th in the country. Only one guy ahead of him threw for more yards in less games, and that was because he threw it 50 times a game. He had 22 TDs which was good for 30th in the country, and 64.9% which was good for 23rd in the country. Also 10.5 ypa which was good for 2nd in the country. NONE of those numbers are pedestrian. He was 30th or better in every single one of those categories.
Now I agree the scheme is stale. We are way too tight in our formations. It wasn't until TAMU that we even tried to get creative in the run game. Also, even if Jennings was only completing 50% of his passes, with 30 passes per game on his ypa, you are looking at 213 yards passing and 40-42 carries would have yielded us around 200 rushing ypg. At the very least, more passing would have opened up more rushing lanes.
IMO locking ourselves up into a shell did far more harm than Jennings just being bad. They are going to have to just throw the ball more. They are going to have to get creative with the run game. They are going to need to put more weapons on the field (3 WR 1 TE most of the time). Even if Harris doesn't start (BTW I believe he does), just doing the things I said above will help the offense immensely. The receivers have now had a year on the field. Jennings has had a year on the field. No more excuses.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 6:37 am to boxcar willie
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we averaged 250 yards per game passing WITH Mett at QB and with OBJ and Landry to throw to. Didn't exactly light it up. Pretty pedestrian compared to what a lot of schools are doing these days with much less to work with. Not a lot there to entice a great high school QB who wants to show off what he can do.
Mett would have been a 1st round pick if not for the ACL tear and drug test.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 6:40 am to Tigfisher
I'm pretty sure it's the coaches job to worry about getting and developing good QBs
Posted on 2/7/15 at 6:43 am to otowntiger
IMO, Miles puts to much emphasis on "athleticism" at the qb position, even though the most successful qb's under him have been pocket passers.
He would rather have a Cam Newton than a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. The biggest problem with that is the Cam Newton types in high school generally play out of the shotgun 100% of the time and don't even have the basic footwork required to take a snap from center.
He basically recruits "spread" type qb's but puts them into more of a pro-style offense and that takes time.
It is very frustrating to see other schools start a true freshman or redshirt freshman at qb, with much more complicated passing schemes than LSU, have success moving the ball while LSU is stuck running 1 man routes with a middle school passing scheme.
I didn't expect much from this team last year as far as offense goes and they certainly didn't surprise me, but my expectations will be MUCH higher this season, regardless of who starts at qb. If, the passing offense this season looks ANYTHING like last season someone needs to be fired.
He would rather have a Cam Newton than a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. The biggest problem with that is the Cam Newton types in high school generally play out of the shotgun 100% of the time and don't even have the basic footwork required to take a snap from center.
He basically recruits "spread" type qb's but puts them into more of a pro-style offense and that takes time.
It is very frustrating to see other schools start a true freshman or redshirt freshman at qb, with much more complicated passing schemes than LSU, have success moving the ball while LSU is stuck running 1 man routes with a middle school passing scheme.
I didn't expect much from this team last year as far as offense goes and they certainly didn't surprise me, but my expectations will be MUCH higher this season, regardless of who starts at qb. If, the passing offense this season looks ANYTHING like last season someone needs to be fired.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 6:55 am to TigerBait1127
Not trying to take away from Flynn, I like him.
But he wasn't in the same league as Joe Montana etc....
This statement had to do with OL play, not Flynn just used him as an example.
My point was the OL makes decent QB's look great and vice versa.
But then again people like you rather nit pick statements and fight than just read them and comprehend.
Not sure why I try to explain.
You turned a comment about OL play into a bio on Matt Flynn.
But he wasn't in the same league as Joe Montana etc....
This statement had to do with OL play, not Flynn just used him as an example.
My point was the OL makes decent QB's look great and vice versa.
But then again people like you rather nit pick statements and fight than just read them and comprehend.
Not sure why I try to explain.
You turned a comment about OL play into a bio on Matt Flynn.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 7:45 am to boxcar willie
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we averaged 250 yards per game passing WITH Mett at QB and with OBJ and Landry to throw to. Didn't exactly light it up. Pretty pedestrian compared to what a lot of schools are doing these days with much less to work with. Not a lot there to entice a great high school QB who wants to show off what he can do.
Mett was 260 yards away from throwing for more yards in a season than any lsu qb ever. Continue to prove your ignorance.
Our 2013 offense was great. Deal with it. You repeatedly saying it wasnt ,just makes you look stupid.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 7:47 am
Posted on 2/7/15 at 7:49 am to Datbayoubengal
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Actually, that's not pedestrian. Mett played in 12 games and averaged 256.8 ypg. That was good for 27th in the country. He had 3082 yards which was good for 27th in the country. Only one guy ahead of him threw for more yards in less games, and that was because he threw it 50 times a game. He had 22 TDs which was good for 30th in the country, and 64.9% which was good for 23rd in the country. Also 10.5 ypa which was good for 2nd in the country. NONE of those numbers are pedestrian. He was 30th or better in every single one of those categories.
You cant explain actual football to that poster. He once called me an idiot because i said bama runs the offset i formation. He swore there was no such formation.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 8:12 am to Datbayoubengal
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you act as if it's negative for Jimbo to use Russell. Jadeveon Clowney might wash out as well, but you don't think South Carolina is preaching come be the next Clowney?
Exactly. Miles and company got Russell and Flynn to the NFL ... it's up to them to do something with their opportunity once they get there. Flynn has done fine for himself (only 32 starting QBs in the NFL).
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:23 am to shutterspeed
If u are not one of Les's pets u want get to play no matter if u are Joe Montana!Can u say JJ! 
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:51 am to cajunjj
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If u are not one of Les's pets u want get to play no matter if u are Joe Montana!Can u say JJ!
This right here folks. Perfect example of my earlier post. Goddamn morons litter this board.
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The answer is mainly because of the stupid arse "fans" on this unfortunately extremely popular and visible board that are a bunch of whiny arse pussies (or just plain alters from opposing fanbases) who don't have the perspective/attention span of a fifth grader spreading paranoia and hatred of our coach out into the world for all the recruits and their parents to see and the media to regurgitate until it becomes the accepted narrative about the program.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 9:52 am
Posted on 2/7/15 at 9:54 am to Tiger Voodoo
But he has the Want.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 10:39 am to Tigfisher
I thought this is why we gave the gig to Cam. Thought he would be able to bring in some top notch Qb's. The missing piece. So far he's brought in a Shreveport kid that was probably coming whether he was the OC or not.
Remind me again , why Cam has a job? Its arguable that his salary and attitude is why Chief is gone.
Remind me again , why Cam has a job? Its arguable that his salary and attitude is why Chief is gone.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 10:40 am
Posted on 2/7/15 at 11:00 am to LSUANDY25
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Remind me again , why Cam has a job?
Cam has a job because he is considered one of the best qb coaches on the planet. He turned Mett into one of the best qb in the sec in 2013.
quote:so you're just making shite up now?
Its arguable that his salary and attitude is why Chief is gone.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 11:02 am to cajunjj
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u are not one of Les's pets u want get to play no matter if u are Joe Montana!Can u say JJ!
JJ wasn't this horrible qb. He had bad games at lsu. He has 2 seasons where his qb rating was higher than Flynn's in 07. Fact.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 11:52 am to JaxTiger10
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Its arguable that his salary and attitude is why Chief is gone.
so you're just making shite up now?
I have no facts hence arguable. Just a thought.
Whats your theory on why the Chief just uped and left, jax?
Are u sure he turned Mett into one of the best in the SEC? Seems to me Mett had a pretty good jr year and had two NFL receivers his last yr here. But i dont know nothing other than he didnt develop anyone last yr and refused to change the offense until the season was lost.
I guess we can give him all the credit for Mett and none of the blame for that debacle of an offense last yr.
Will we do this again next yr? Its been two yrs and we have Harris and McMillan because he's one of the best QB coaches on the planet. Im ready to believe trust me, but so far I dont see what hes done here to earn that massive salary.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/7/15 at 12:01 pm to LSUANDY25
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Whats your theory on why the Chief just uped and left, jax?
Chief basically came out and said why. He felt disrespected by Alleva. Alleva sent his underlings to Chief with a take it or leave offer and then refused to meet with Chief to negotiate the contract.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 12:02 pm to LSUANDY25
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I have no facts hence arguable. Just a thought
Intelligent people don't argue unless there are facts... Otherwise they are just thoughts.
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Are u sure he turned Mett into one of the best in the SEC? Seems to me Mett had a pretty good jr year and had two NFL receivers his last yr here.
You should go back and look at his Junior year again. It wasn't in the same stratosphere as his Senior year, in which he threw to the same receivers he had in 2012.
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But i dont know nothing other than he didnt develop anyone last yr and refused to change the offense until the season was lost.
Please explain how the offense we ran before Auburn resembled the offense we ran after Auburn.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 12:06 pm to chilge1
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You should go back and look at his Junior year again. It wasn't in the same stratosphere as his Senior year, in which he threw to the same receivers he had in 2012.
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But i dont know nothing other than he didnt develop anyone last yr and refused to change the offense until the season was lost.
Please explain how the offense we ran before Auburn resembled the offense we ran after Auburn.
I watched every game Mett's jr year and if u couldnt see the improvement each game especially with turnovers well..... u are entitled to your opinion.
After Auburn which was the 2nd west loss, we were out of it.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/7/15 at 12:11 pm to LSUANDY25
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Are u sure he turned Mett into one of the best in the SEC?
Yes. Mett got far better in 2013 compared to 2012.
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Seems to me Mett had a pretty good jr year
So 12tds & 7 ints is considered a good year? If so Jennings had a good year in 2014.
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But i dont know nothing other than he didnt develop anyone last year
Its hard to develop a qb when your starting qb, starting rb, and every wr on the roster has less than 2 games started, combined.
quote:our offense didnt change. Adding some zone read plays and a few jet sweeps doesnt mean you changed the offense.but i get what youre saying.
refused to change the offense until the season was lost.
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guess we can give him all the credit for Mett and none of the blame for that debacle of an offense last yr
Wow the irony in that statement. Whats really sad is Miles gets zero credit when our offense is good and all the credit when it sucks. He rarely gets credit for our 2007 title because the pkayers are deemed, Saban's. When in fact, every single player on our 2007 team spent more time under Miles than Saban.
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