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re: Who will admit O has exceeded expectations and is an upgrade from Les?

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Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:04 pm to
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Oline development will do more good than what Brady will bring to the table IMO


Oline can't block long enough for long developing routes Ensminger liked. It's common knowledge that Brady was brought in to teach RPO and to teach short passing routes.
If all Brady was brought in to do was teach wrs not to lean in and out of their breaks(route running) then my expectations for the offense went back down.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:05 pm to
So Brady wasnt hired to come in and fix the passing game Rodger?
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:05 pm to
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But hey in your mind we didnt have scheme issues.
Long developing pass routes while putting Burrow under center isnt a scheme issue. It's a talent is


Link me to one post where I said scheme wasn’t an issue. I said we can’t change scheme mid season or over night...apparently you think that is possible?

Do the saints and rams ever use max protect?
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 9:07 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:07 pm to
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So Brady wasnt hired to come in and fix the passing game Rodger?


Uh, no. You just made that up
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:09 pm to
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 fact, during that 4 game stretch he threw for almost 1200 yards. 

Is that something that happens often at LSU?


No over the last decade we havent thrown the ball 121 times in 4 games often.
I find it so funny you think their isnt a correlation between playing shite pass defenses and us throwing the ball well.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:11 pm to
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h, no. You just made that up


So you think throwing less TDs than Jordan Jefferson in 2009 isnt a problem?

You think not throwing a td for an entire month wasnt a problem?

The fact that you think this wasnt a problem last year just further proves your hypocrisy.

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We threw 13/17 TDS vs 4 teams. 

That’s 4 TD in 9 other games 

We threw 45% of our yards in 4 games.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:13 pm to
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No over the last decade we havent thrown the ball 121 times in 4 games often.
I find it so funny you think their isnt a correlation between playing shite pass defenses and us throwing the ball well.


No I ne said that Jethro. However regardless of competition he played as well or better than almost any Tiger QB in a 4 game stretch.

Unfortunately you're incapable of understanding nuance. The world is black and white to you, looksike most children.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:13 pm to
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I said we can’t change scheme mid season or over night...apparently you think that is possible? 


You can definitely stop running playaction from under center and you can definitely move the pocket for your qb.
Something Ensminger never did.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47442 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:15 pm to
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Do the saints and rams ever use max protect


At times but it's not some shell they go into for entire games. They actually go 4 and 5 wide and make the defense cover more of the field instead of going 2 and 3 wide and keeping tes and rbs in to block EVERY TIME. That's dinosaur philosophy. It's what Ensminger has done his entire OC career.
Which is exactly why Brady was brought in. To fix the passing game. The passing game that was absolute garbage for most of the year.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:17 pm to
Bama was killing us. I know you’ve disputed that with me but we couldn’t block 92 with double teams. Burrow was getting knocked around almost every play. When I’ve seen Brees getting lit up SP always goes max protect. When the line can’t block 4 it really limits an offense.
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:17 pm to
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Did you see Burrow in the first half of the season?
Did you see Burrow in the second half of the season?




Weeks 7, 8 and 9 Burrow was 49-98 for 513 yards, no touchdowns and 2 interceptions.

Weeks 10, 11 and 12 Burrow 60-87 for 772 yards, 6 touchdowns and no interceptions.

I didn't take the time to go though the first half of the season, so I'll take your word for it that he improved a little during weeks 7 thru 9 over weeks 1 thru 6. And he definitely improved the last 3 weeks of the season.

But my believe is that his stats the last 3 games has something to do with facing the 87th 98th and 125th ranked passing defenses.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47442 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:19 pm to
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No I ne said that Jethro


Look I gave my retard to English translator the night off.

BE BETTER AT ENGLISH.

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Unfortunately you're incapable of understanding nuance




What nuance is needed to see our passing offense was garbage until we played 3 of the worst passing defenses in cfb and ucf?

Am I glad we finally had success passing the ball? Of course.
I also understand it would be more of the same unless we made a change on offense. We did. His name is Joe Brady.

Look you cant be successful in the sec if everytime your oline starts to struggle,your default philosophy is max protect. The front 7 of these sec are too good.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:20 pm to
You do realize the Saints have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL right? I give you shite but I do think you know some about the game and you should know it all starts up front.

A gimmick offense with piss poor oline play isn’t the way to consistently compete and beat Bama...we need to be better up front
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:21 pm to
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But my believe is that his stats the last 3 games has something to do with facing the 87th 98th and 125th ranked passing defenses.


Some.

Could also be experience and comfort with his WRs. Don't you think that could be a factor as well?
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 9:23 pm
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
Member since Jan 2014
7029 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:21 pm to
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Why do you consider the facts diminishing our QB?


Some of these guys don't like facts.

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That's precisely why I let the "got better the second half of the season" thing alone. I knew if I posted the facts you'd say that.


Smart move.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283306 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:22 pm to
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What nuance is needed to see our passing offense was garbage


From the same guy who said LSUs 2019 schedule was garbage
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47442 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:27 pm to
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Bama was killing us.


And your answer to not being able to block their dline is to bring more people into block allowing more defenders to come to the los?

That archaic thinking.

Go 4 and 5 wide and quick pass them to death.
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Burrow was getting knocked around almost every play.


Then why didnt our OC call a single roll out?
Why did he allow bama's dline to pin their ears back and pass rush to the exact same spot all game?

If bama is killing us why is our OC STILL putting burrow under center?
Its tougher to go through reads in a drop.
Why was he still calling playaction?
Bama in no way respected our ability to run the ball on them. PA from our own 4?
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When the line can’t block 4 it really limits an offense.

It does when you refuse to spread the defense out.
Its amazing how far less talented offenses were able to move the ball against bama.


What's really crazy about your stance is..... you should expect the same result this year if your stance is it was just a talent gap. The gap is still their and got bigger. They still had a better class than us.

Our oline still isnt more talented than Bama's. Bama still has monsters all over that defense
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47442 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:28 pm to
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From the same guy who said LSUs 2019 schedule was garbage 


Its amazing watching you bring up something I admitted was wrong.

Have you ever admitted that Troy was not more talented than lsu?

Yes garbage was too far. Saying our schedule isnt one of the hardest in the sec is spot on.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:28 pm to
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You can definitely stop running playaction from under center and you can definitely move the pocket for your qb.
Something Ensminger never did.



The saints run a ton of play action

I would prefer seeing misdirection and play action naked roll outs against Bama but that’s me. Hell I might have gotten Burrow knocked out of the game because we may fool Bama a few times with it but Saban would adjust and someone would blow Burrow up
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47442 posts
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:29 pm to
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Why do you consider the facts diminishing our QB? ?


They hate facts that shite on their opinions. They always have.
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