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re: what's Crowton/Miles's leash on JJ?
Posted on 6/29/09 at 10:47 am to TheDoc
Posted on 6/29/09 at 10:47 am to TheDoc
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if les miles is a smart man, he'll have shep taking more than 25 percent of the snaps...
nah, can't really see that. 25% is about right, hell might even be a tad too high.
This post was edited on 6/29/09 at 10:49 am
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Posted on 6/29/09 at 10:50 am to Hot Carl
I just said it's possible that Les goes to him at some point when Jefferson is struggling.
well sure it's possible.
dude, i seriously lol'd when I just read that.
one thing though: what does "struggle" mean in this context?
throwing 4 INT's struggling, or 2 straight three and outs struggling?
biiiig difference IMO
well sure it's possible.
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And he will struggle. How do I know this? Because every QB in the history of football has struggled at some point.
dude, i seriously lol'd when I just read that.
one thing though: what does "struggle" mean in this context?
throwing 4 INT's struggling, or 2 straight three and outs struggling?
biiiig difference IMO
Posted on 6/29/09 at 10:52 am to TheDoc
I wish they would have gone to Flynn when JR struggled against Auburn in '06.
Posted on 6/29/09 at 10:53 am to ATLTiger
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nah, can't really see that. 25% is about right, hell might even be a tad too high.
russell shepard is too good of an athlete to only play the equivilent of one quarter a game.. IMO
Posted on 6/29/09 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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UF runs the spread option as a base offense and it's pretty much all they do
This is not conducive to puting players in the NFL.
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Tebow is an excellent college player, but he may receive more attention than he deserves as a pro prospect at this point. He plays in a gimmick offense that is more geared for college success than developing as a pro passer.
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Stock: Tebow is coming from the spread offense, which is a huge negative for him. Texas Tech’s Graham Harrell didn’t get drafted or sign as a free-agent, and most everyone would agree that Harrell is a better pure passer then Tebow.
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we don't run much spread option. crowton is a spread guy who has incorporated a lot of the jimbo playbook to satisfy les's "boom, pop, pow!" desires. we run mostly a traditional offense
LSU uses a combination of Pro Style & Spread Option, which affords players the ability to develop into NFL Caliber players. There is no Jimbo - fired, and there are very few bubble screens. Not sure what "boom, pop, wow!" is, but Les Miles put out a NC team in 2007 that scored more points than any LSU football team ever has, and it's not close.
This post was edited on 6/29/09 at 10:55 am
Posted on 6/29/09 at 10:56 am to TheDoc
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russell shepard is too good of an athlete to only play the equivilent of one quarter a game.. IMO
I'm all for him playing play more than 1/4 of the offensive snaps if he's as good as advertised, just not as a QB. there are other ways to get the ball in his hands.
Posted on 6/29/09 at 10:58 am to TheDoc
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one thing though: what does "struggle" mean in this context?
throwing 4 INT's struggling, or 2 straight three and outs struggling?
biiiig difference IMO
Of course there's a big difference. One is struggling, the other isn't even close. I'm talking 2 or 3 turnovers in 1 half struggling. And if you don't think Jefferson is going to have those this year, well then I'm not sure what to tell you.
Posted on 6/29/09 at 10:59 am to ATLTiger
I think that is the plan with Crowton, I think he already said something to the effect of we'll get him on the field in "other" positions, not just in a wildcat formation.
Posted on 6/29/09 at 10:59 am to Sammich
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This is not conducive to puting players in the NFL.
we're not discussing NFL prospects
and if you want to make that argument, then us putting shep at option QB is hurting his NFL prospects
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LSU uses a combination of Pro Style & Spread Option
bout 75% traditional, 15% spread, 10% spread option
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There is no Jimbo
we incorporated a lot of his playbook and have kept running it. look at all the i-form we run
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but Les Miles put out a NC team in 2007 that scored more points than any LSU football team ever has, and it's not close.
and we ran more spread in 2007 than we did in 2008
Posted on 6/29/09 at 10:59 am to ATLTiger
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I'm all for him playing play more than 1/4 of the offensive snaps if he's as good as advertised, just not as a QB. there are other ways to get the ball in his hands.
exactly
Posted on 6/29/09 at 11:06 am to tubucoco
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I wish they would have gone to Flynn when JR struggled against Auburn in '06.
I wish they would have not handcuffed JR to handing the ball off to the slow/fat runningbacks.
even though he threw 35 times in that game, most of the throws were for very short yardage.
Posted on 6/29/09 at 11:07 am to Hot Carl
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And if you don't think Jefferson is going to have those this year, well then I'm not sure what to tell you.
3 turnovers in one half?
c'mon man..
Posted on 6/29/09 at 11:13 am to TheDoc
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3 turnovers in one half?
c'mon man..
it's inconceiviable to think JJ could do that.. only JL has that capeability... an how do I know this?? Ive seen him play. Twice.
boom.
This post was edited on 6/29/09 at 11:22 am
Posted on 6/29/09 at 11:17 am to TheDoc
quote:your makin excuses Doc, but I'm not tryin to turn this into another JR/Flynn debate, the guy had trouble reading Auburn's coverage scheme, and I thought a change at QB would have caught them off guard because they were prepared for JR not Flynn.
even though he threw 35 times in that game, most of the throws were for very short yardage.
Posted on 6/29/09 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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we're not discussing NFL prospects
and if you want to make that argument, then us putting shep at option QB is hurting his NFL prospects
Well, that's a shocker. Usually you can't wait to name drop a Percy Harvin or Tim Tebow.
If Shepard is playing both Pro Style & Spread option, how would it hurt his NFL status? Did you miss the Spring game?
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we incorporated a lot of his playbook and have kept running it. look at all the i-form we run
All Pro-style run the I-formation. Is that a joke? It is no way unique to Jimbo Fisher. And both Crowton & Miles have shown disdain for the Jimbo style bubble screen, as it's easy to defend against.
This post was edited on 6/29/09 at 11:24 am
Posted on 6/29/09 at 11:23 am to tubucoco
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your makin excuses Doc, but I'm not tryin to turn this into another JR/Flynn debate, the guy had trouble reading Auburn's coverage scheme, and I thought a change at QB would have caught them off guard because they were prepared for JR not Flynn.
here's the thing: I really wish the coaches (jimbo specifically) had a better gameplan.
I do agree with you though, flynn should have had a shot to get a spark with the offense.
couldn't have hurt really...
Posted on 6/29/09 at 11:23 am to tubucoco
what evidence leads you to believe flynn would have been better?
hell flynn didn't exactly light it up when he got his chance against MSU that year
hell flynn didn't exactly light it up when he got his chance against MSU that year
Posted on 6/29/09 at 11:24 am to BT
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it's inconceiviable to think JJ could do that
not impossible, but highly unlikely.
Posted on 6/29/09 at 11:26 am to TheDoc
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3 turnovers in one half?
Flynn and JR have done this with much more experience than JJ has, so it's not out of the question.
Posted on 6/29/09 at 11:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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what evidence leads you to believe flynn would have been better?
hell flynn didn't exactly light it up when he got his chance against MSU that year
didn't flynn come in for mop up duty in the Miss st game that year and throw a pick 6?
still though, the coaches could have tried flynn for the auburn game... if only to change up some things.
one of my biggest qualms was the coaches not letting JR RUN in that game like they did for the tennessee game...
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