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re: what's Crowton/Miles's leash on JJ?
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:14 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:14 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
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Then explain the spring game? Both were under the same circumstances going against the same defense, and Jefferson still looked better. Lee had his flashes in the spring game as he did during the season, but there were still risky ill advised throws and many late throws.
can you provide stats for spring game... i wasnt there this year, but If I rmember correctly JL had 5-6 pass attempts.
With this logic though, poor RS will never see the field, didnt he have 3 to's one for a td?
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Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:23 pm to BT
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can you provide stats for spring game... i wasnt there this year, but If I rmember correctly JL had 5-6 pass attempts.
With this logic though, poor RS will never see the field, didnt he have 3 to's one for a td?
ok great your backing your argument about Lee by saying RS will not see the field. Lee struggles against a second team D and Shep was lighting up or making mistakes against the first team D as a senior in highschool. I like RS and think he will get a snap a QB here or there but this year he should be more of a percy harvin who can throw. SO explain to me why JJ shouldnt be the starter when he excelled against the same D Lee was struggling with(which was the second team D)?
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:27 pm to BT
On a side note, check out the blocks by Scott, Quinn Johnson, and Lafell at the 0:13 mark. Very nice.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:28 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
this isnt an arguement about JL.
matter of fact it isnt an arguement at all. Its a fuking question.
I smell a hint of bias in this statement.
where do you come up with this shite?...
Dude you really should go back to page one and read the first post in this thread.
matter of fact it isnt an arguement at all. Its a fuking question.
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Lee struggles against a second team D and Shep was lighting up or making mistakes against the first team D as a senior in highschool
I smell a hint of bias in this statement.
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SO explain to me why JJ shouldnt be the starter when he excelled against the same D Lee was struggling with(which was the second team D)?
where do you come up with this shite?...
Dude you really should go back to page one and read the first post in this thread.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:32 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
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ok great your backing your argument about Lee by saying RS will not see the field. Lee struggles against a second team D and Shep was lighting up or making mistakes against the first team D as a senior in highschool.
nope......thats how YOU are backing your arguement, once again Im not arguing anything... you said JJ did better than JL in the spring, therefore incinuating that JJ should be the man...
I simply carried it a step further and applied YOUR logic with RS.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:35 pm to BT
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nope......thats how YOU are backing your arguement, once again Im not arguing anything... you said JJ did better than JL in the spring, therefore incinuating that JJ should be the man...
I simply carried it a step further and applied YOUR logic with RS.
and whats your point, whats the point of mentioning RS when the "discussion" is about Lee and Jefferson... cause what your saying about RS not seeing the field at QB very much is a pretty accurate statement. And bias well it was either a pick six or an 80 yard scamper
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:38 pm to BT
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where do you come up with this shite?...
Dude you really should go back to page one and read the first post in this thread
ok... i guess im sorry im not speaking hypothetically of complete random unknown possible scenarios, im just looking at what already happend in the most recent past, and making a judgement from it.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:40 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
Im pretty sure my point on mentioning RS is that what he did or didnt do in a spring football game is meaningful, excuse me MEANINGLESS as what JJ or JL did.
YOure the one harping on the spring game, I can go back and quote if youd like.
Once again, maybe you should go back and read post one.
YOure the one harping on the spring game, I can go back and quote if youd like.
Once again, maybe you should go back and read post one.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:42 pm to BT
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Im pretty sure my point on mentioning RS is that what he did or didnt do in a spring football game is meaningful, excuse me MEANINGLESS as what JJ or JL did.
YOure the one harping on the spring game, I can go back and quote if youd like.
Once again, maybe you should go back and read post one.
OK well what are you basing your opions off of? Mine are off of where both QBs were in the same exact scenario
This post was edited on 6/28/09 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:51 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
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ok... i guess im sorry im not speaking hypothetically of complete random unknown possible scenarios, im just looking at what already happend in the most recent past, and making a judgement from it.
you dont even give it a consideration that JJ may struggle... all this after a guy starts 2games... TWO meaningless football games.
Fwiw, if the question states HYPO then answers usually tend to follow that way.
Something to consider.
If there were levels of PT...
A 10 being most intense/pressure
filled/meaningful game and a 1 being a fuking cake walk/go through the motions
JL's snaps were at a 10.
JJ's two starts equaled a 5 AT BEST.
Whether you like it or not, want to admit it or not,,,that counts for something.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:55 pm to BT
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you dont even give it a consideration that JJ may struggle... all this after a guy starts 2games... TWO meaningless football games.
knew this was coming sooner or later. ultimately that's all you really started this thread to point out, isn't it?
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:59 pm to BT
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TWO meaningless football games.
No such thing...brah
Posted on 6/28/09 at 10:59 pm to ATLTiger
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knew this was coming sooner or later. ultimately that's all you really started this thread to point out, isn't it?
these dudes tend to disagree.
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I think the OP's question is a really good one and worth a discussion. As much as I'm hopeful Jefferson is the man, there's no guarantee and the truth is that we really haven't seen that much of him.
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It is a fair question. Again, the leash will be shorter, and it should be. This year, at least, we have competition and options not available last year. Why there weren't options last year is the source of most acrimony. I say put it behind us, look for a combination of improved defense and QB play... and stay tuned
good call ATL
Posted on 6/28/09 at 11:02 pm to BT
Ok that great, saying well its ok the one sucked since he was in more pressured situations and the other one look great since he played in to meaningless games. I agree JL had more pressure upon him, yay you are right!!! 
. But when they were both in the same situation in a meaningless football game JL still showed signs of throwing passes late and throwing into coverages and JJ looked fine like it was just another days work. JJ could struggle in big games situations this coming year, but im willing to let him take a shot at them and be confident in him because he lead LSU to by far its most meaniful victory of the year. And seeing Lee still struggle in the sping makes me think he will not do any better than Jefferson in the same situation!
. But when they were both in the same situation in a meaningless football game JL still showed signs of throwing passes late and throwing into coverages and JJ looked fine like it was just another days work. JJ could struggle in big games situations this coming year, but im willing to let him take a shot at them and be confident in him because he lead LSU to by far its most meaniful victory of the year. And seeing Lee still struggle in the sping makes me think he will not do any better than Jefferson in the same situation! Posted on 6/28/09 at 11:03 pm to Sammich
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No such thing...brah
compared to UGA, Fla, USC, BAMA, state, AU during the time and place in which all those games were played... sorry dude,, but meaningless might be an understatement.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 11:08 pm to BT
it actually is a good question, and one that I've discussed on here and elsewhere, unless it's posed by you. you just can't resist taking swipes at JJ and trying to promote JL. it's like you want to prove things about JL that rational fans already realize (ie the difficult position he was put in, the fact that he did in fact do some good things, the likelihood he'll improve, etc.). the ppl that don't recognize this probably aren't worth arguing with and are the same geniuses that booed the kid. no need to bring our other QBs down to boost his stature. we're in a good position with our QBs, be happy about it.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 11:10 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
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most meaniful victory of the year
I agree , b/c it was our last.
Honestly, I think its your opinion not a fact that JL struggled in the spring game.. once again he threw 5-6 passes, as I said earlier I wasnt able to attend, however I dont recall reading or hearing what you claim .
If youll remember last yr Richard murphy was all american at spring game, how did that carry over for him last season???... point is you take it FWIW, an innersqaud spring football game.
This post was edited on 6/28/09 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 6/28/09 at 11:15 pm to ATLTiger
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you just can't resist taking swipes at JJ and trying to promote JL.
apparently you mistake "swipes" with facts.
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no need to bring our other QBs down to boost his stature.
where or when did I ever do this?
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we're in a good position with our QBs, be happy about it.
I agree, and I am.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 11:19 pm to ColtsTigers
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Why would they turn back to Lee? He has shown that he has problems. Jarrett seems like a great guy, but Chris Garrett already looked better than him in the Spring game.
Bro, I agree with you here in one way, but disagree in another. Lee obviously has more experience and pt, so he would be put in first. However, I am feeling you about Chris Garrett. The dude looked poised as shite out there! A future champ. He'll redshirt this year though
Posted on 6/28/09 at 11:27 pm to BT
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where or when did I ever do this?
oh I don't know, maybe calling a bowl game a meaningless game
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