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re: What makes you think we will be better off with a new coach??
Posted on 10/26/10 at 5:51 pm to TopWaterTiger
Posted on 10/26/10 at 5:51 pm to TopWaterTiger
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Miami
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Nebraska
The ineptitude of the "successful" coaches who were fired directly led to the downfalls of each of those universities. Coker had the best talent in the country, and struggled to win 9 there. Nebraska needed a philosophy change.
Do you think if either of those coaches were allowed to continue that the programs would have returned to prominence?
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Posted on 10/26/10 at 5:52 pm to mamoutiga
Oh and how did that Florida running off Zook for 8 win seasons thing work out????
It's not hiring a new coach. It's getting the right coach.
It's not hiring a new coach. It's getting the right coach.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 5:56 pm to TopWaterTiger
Les will always be capable of 9-3, maybe even 10-2, but that STILL means we're second place in the West unless we can beat Bama. Look at their program and look at ours. We both recruit well, but who develops better talent? I'm not ready to settle for second place in the West and simply be happy because we went 9-3 (again). Go settle somewhere else.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:02 pm to rumtumtiger
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Look at their program and look at ours.
If you do that, you're comparing a program at its height as opposed to a program on its way back up.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:08 pm to rumtumtiger
quote:I agree, and I'll go as far to say Miles would never even be 9-3 0r 10-2 if Saban had not been at LSU before him. He could have never turned LSU around the way Saban did. He is not that kind of coach. He is good at inheriting a good team and trying to continue on.
es will always be capable of 9-3, maybe even 10-2, but that STILL means we're second place in the West unless we can beat Bama. Look at their program and look at ours. We both recruit well, but who develops better talent? I'm not ready to settle for second place in the West and simply be happy because we went 9-3 (again). Go settle somewhere else.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:13 pm to mikeymike
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I agree, and I'll go as far to say Miles would never even be 9-3 0r 10-2 if Saban had not been at LSU before him. He could have never turned LSU around the way Saban did. He is not that kind of coach. He is good at inheriting a good team and trying to continue on.
He went 9-3 at Oklahoma State in his third season with a program that had not won more than 5 games in the three years prior to his arrival.
So you're wrong on both counts.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:19 pm to chilge1
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He went 9-3 at Oklahoma State in his third season with a program that had not won more than 5 games in the three years prior to his arrival.
So you're wrong on both counts.
First of all, If 9-3 makes you happy, then good for you, second, you are comparing Ok. State to LSU. Third, what does Ok. State have to do with anything Saban did at LSU. ?
If you want to say he had a winning record at Ok State, then great, you are right. But 9-3 does not make me happy at LSU. You aren't comparing apples to apples......
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:22 pm to mikeymike
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First of all, If 9-3 makes you happy, then good for you,
It doesn't
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second, you are comparing Ok. State to LSU.
Which means what, exactly? I have an idea, but I'd like to hear you say what I'm thinking.
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Third, what does Ok. State have to do with anything Saban did at LSU. ?
Nothing. That's the point of even mentioning it. Why don't you go back and re-read your own words? And then compare them to this:
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If you want to say he had a winning record at Ok State, then great, you are right.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:25 pm to chilge1
You make no sense.... Go back and read my post. It has to do with Les Miles being able to turn LSU around. If you call turning a program around just having a winning record, then I see your point I think. I call turning a program around is bringing home a championship when the program has not done so since 1958. Did Les Bring home a BCS to Ok St? He had plenty to time to do so...
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:32 pm to mikeymike
Turning a program around involves instilling a winning culture within the program... much like Mullen is doing for MSU. If you look at it in that fashion, Miles took a team that posted 5,5, and 3 wins before his arrival, and brought them to 4, 8,9, and 7 wins. And no, four years is not enough time to bring a championship to a team that was as bereft of talent as Oklahoma State was. So, yes, he is capable of, and HAS turned around a program. He changed the culture of the program that is now I believe 6-1.
So in your view, there is not a single coach that has ever turned a program around before or after Nick Saban? That figures.
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call turning a program around is bringing home a championship when the program has not done so since 1958.
So in your view, there is not a single coach that has ever turned a program around before or after Nick Saban? That figures.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:35 pm to chilge1
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So in your view, there is not a single coach that has ever turned a program around before or after Nick Saban? That figures.
Are you speaking for yourself? Cause I know you aren't speaking for me. I'm not that ignorant. Once again, all I'm saying is Saban has done a nice job turning this program around and Alabama. I really don't care for Saban, but he is a good coach. No arguing with that...
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:35 pm to mikeymike
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Did Les Bring home a BCS to Ok St? He had plenty to time to do so...
Making LSU great again is certainly easier than making OK St. great for the first time. LSU has a better recruiting base than OK st, and they don't have to share it with an elite team like Oklahoma. The job Les did at OK st. is impressive, and while he did not win a BCS championship there, he made a true bottom dweller a competitive program.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:40 pm to mikeymike
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mikeymike
The guys whole point is that you said this:
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I agree, and I'll go as far to say Miles would never even be 9-3 0r 10-2 if Saban had not been at LSU before him. He could have never turned LSU around the way Saban did. He is not that kind of coach. He is good at inheriting a good team and trying to continue on.
When he clearly took a bad OK St. team and turned them around and went 9-3 one year. Is it harder to recruit well and win 9 games at OK St. or LSU?
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:41 pm to mikeymike
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Are you speaking for yourself? Cause I know you aren't speaking for me. I'm not that ignorant.
You're the one who laid down the necessary condition that in order to turn a program around, you have to win a national championship for the first time since 1958.
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Once again, all I'm saying is Saban has done a nice job turning this program around and Alabama. I really don't care for Saban, but he is a good coach. No arguing with that...
No, you're saying that Miles could not turn around a program the way that Saban did LSU and Alabama, which is obviously false because of the job Miles did at Okie St. In fact, I'd argue that Miles did a better job of this because his program lacked the resources of an LSU or Alabama.
Furthermore, you stated that Les Miles would not have even gone 9-3 had Saban not preceded him, and I refuted THAT statement by letting you know that he went 9-3 at a program (much inferior to LSU) that had never been touched by the hand of Saban.
So just stop.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:42 pm to chilge1
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No he's not. He's better than Chizik, better than Petrino, and better than Nutt (overall, obviously not when examining head-to-head records).
I love you people.
You're awesome.
Why wouldn't you compare Miles to Nutt head to head when Miles has had the prohibitive talent advantage in every matchup.
It's cute after a while.
Then it just sucks.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:46 pm to willeteal
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Why wouldn't you compare Miles to Nutt head to head when Miles has had the prohibitive talent advantage in every matchup.
So you're saying that Les Miles is as good of a coach as Nick Saban and Urban Meyer, better than Jim Tressel, and worse than Houston Nutt?
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:55 pm to chilge1
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Furthermore, you stated that Les Miles would not have even gone 9-3 had Saban not preceded him, and I refuted THAT statement by letting you know that he went 9-3 at a program (much inferior to LSU) that had never been touched by the hand of Saban.
So just stop.
give it up!!! so you are saying it is harder to win against teams in the big 12 than SEC west???
He had a .571 winning percentage at OK. State.....This post was edited on 10/26/10 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:58 pm to mikeymike
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so you are saying it is harder to win against teams in the big 12 than SEC west??? He had a .571 winning percentage at OK. State.....
I am saying that Les Miles walked into a situation much like if he were to start coaching Vanderbilt tomorrow.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 6:59 pm to mikeymike
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so you are saying it is harder to win against teams in the big 12 than SEC west???
You have really missed the point of what people are saying huh?
Posted on 10/26/10 at 7:00 pm to akcheat
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akcheat
I'll let you finish the poor fool off. My shift just ended.
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