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re: What is so wrong about expecting execellence...
Posted on 11/16/09 at 1:56 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
Posted on 11/16/09 at 1:56 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
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I am so tired of all these so called 'long time fans' using the argument that fans should be satisfied now with 8-9 wins every year because LSU used to be so terrible before Saban.
You miss the point. I am one of those "long time fans" who not only remembers the 90s, I also remember the 80s and the 70s.
I don't think we should be "satisfied" with 8 or 9 wins a year.
I just don't think we should be calling for the head of a coach who has only had one such season and act like the program is headed for the crapper just because we didn't beat 2 of the top 3 teams IN THE COUNTRY this season.
Yes, we should strive to be the best, but we shouldn't act like we're the equivalent of Memphis just because we got knocked out of the national championship picture in the 9th game of the season.
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:06 pm to TigerFan55555
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See the Trend?? I know its a little early, but you gotta admit, if your smart, its crossed your mind...
We are #3 at the moment. Yes.
Florida is at the end of a run with one of the best college football players of all time. The main thing that will keep the momentum going solid for them in the SECE is the other teams. I don't see an SECE team stepping up to excellence next year.
Alabama - well, that's a bigger problem. Little Nicky has been recruiting lights out (as have we), but seems to have an upper hand at the moment. The only other team that seems to be lurking is Arky.
I'm very curious how this year turns out in Tuscaloosa. I would love for a big end of the season dud like last year.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:12 pm to mtntiger
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I just don't think we should be calling for the head of a coach who has only had one such season and act like the program is headed for the crapper just because we didn't beat 2 of the top 3 teams IN THE COUNTRY this season.
I never said I think we should fire Miles.
Let me just say that if we do finish 10-2 this year, with our QB issues, and the tough schedule, it will have been an excellent season. If we win a good bowl game against a good team, 11-2 is as good as anyone expected this year.
However, the record is just the surface. I think I am just beginning to become disappointed with the way LSU is playing its games. Yes, a win is a win, but we have struggled and got lucky to beat 2 VERY BAD teams this year (Miss St. and LA Tech). I think anyone will tell you that the Auburn game was the only game this year where we put together a complete game effort.
Being 8-8 in the last 16 SEC games, it does show that LSU is trending towards mediocrity. It worries me that LSU seems to be not showing the fire and the killer instinct it used to show. What has happened to the go-for-it mentality of Miles? Why does it seem like the coaches are losing confidence in their players and in their own decision making abilities? Miles teams had this killer instict in his first few seasons, but it just seems like we are trudging along and not getting up for games lately.
As an LSU fan who monetarily supports the program, it has to worry me that with all of this money being poured into the athletic department to be a championship-caliber program year in and year out, we are falling off the top of the mountain surely but slowly.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:14 pm to rbdallas
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Florida is at the end of a run with one of the best college football players of all time. The main thing that will keep the momentum going solid for them in the SECE is the other teams. I don't see an SECE team stepping up to excellence next year.
Alabama - well, that's a bigger problem. Little Nicky has been recruiting lights out (as have we), but seems to have an upper hand at the moment. The only other team that seems to be lurking is Arky.
I'm very curious how this year turns out in Tuscaloosa. I would love for a big end of the season dud like last year.
I agree, but I think Fl will be better than expected next year if Meyer stays, alot of people believe their gonna be 8-5 next year and I dont see it happening... I think he has recruited well and he has a good QB in Brantly, I think Tennessee could be good for the simple fact of Daddy Kiffin, guy is a genius...wish he was ours...Dont think Bama is gonna go down this year though...and your right about Arky, if they get a def, look out, cause they got the O, wish Petrino was our OC...Could you imagine Petrino OC and Daddy Kiffin DC??? Shiiiiiiiiiitt...
Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:31 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
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the record is just the surface. I think I am just beginning to become disappointed with the way LSU is playing its games. Yes, a win is a win, but we have struggled and got lucky to beat 2 VERY BAD teams this year (Miss St. and LA Tech). I think anyone will tell you that the Auburn game was the only game this year where we put together a complete game effort.
Yes, LSU has not looked like a world-beater this season, but, in the past, it would lose those games when it did not play its best.
I am not saying LSU is a championship caliber team this year, but to act like it's one season removed from being MSU or Kentucky is beyond ridiculous.
LSU had some major problems to correct from last year's team, and some of them have been corrected. The defense is arguably better than last year, so it is not "trending toward mediocrity." If anything, it is trending toward excellence, which you say you want.
The offense is another story. LSU has too many weapons to be so anemic, but it does just enough in most cases to bring home a "W."
I'm confident that what we saw Saturday night in Baton Rouge was a team that just didn't have it emotionally after such a dramatic game in Tuscaloosa. Ole Miss is up next, and I am sure the Rebels have LSU's attention.
We may not look great doing it, but I'm calling for LSU to win in a close game. If we win and it looks like a win over Arky will get us to the Cap One or Cotton Bowl, then I feel confident that LSU just might play it's best game of the year.
Remember, performance one week is not necessarilty indicative of performance the next. LSU has only played one complete game so far this year, so in my mind we are due. Maybe this is the week.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:35 pm to mtntiger
Well put, and point well taken mtntiger 
Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:37 pm to mtntiger
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However, the record is just the surface. I think I am just beginning to become disappointed with the way LSU is playing its games. Yes, a win is a win, but we have struggled and got lucky to beat 2 VERY BAD teams this year (Miss St. and LA Tech). I think anyone will tell you that the Auburn game was the only game this year where we put together a complete game effort.
Damn...someone finally gets it too.
BTW, you forgot DISCIPLINE (Playing Discipline)
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I am not saying LSU is a championship caliber team this year, but to act like it's one season removed from being MSU or Kentucky is beyond ridiculous.
NO, you are right, that would be dumb,
but while we are definitely not there, we seem to be getting farther and farther from being a the top of the heap....
Do we need to see the whole thing come ALL THE WAY down before we become concerned ?????
THESE problems MUST be addressed NOW...
hopefully by Miles, but if he can't, or is not willing to, by someone else.
This post was edited on 11/16/09 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:45 pm to BigDogGambler
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quote: is a current record of 8-2 mediocre?
Yes it is. We played 2 good teams and got handled twice.
8-2 is a great record with mediocre QB play.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:13 pm to dmbear
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8-2 is a great record with mediocre QB play.
what do you not f...king get ?????
open your eyes...
IT IS NOT THE RECORD, quit using it to justify mediocrity ..
IT IS THE POOR PERFORMANCE, lack of player development and more. yes you are right,
we are 8 - 2 and..and only lost to # 1 and # 2 arguably...
but we played like crap with others..
and it looks like a trend...
quit using the record to justify poor performance and coaching....it needs to change.
the RECORD does not tell the full story.
and so I get ahead of your disguised I HATE JL THREAD...IT IS NOT JUST THE QB !
This post was edited on 11/16/09 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:18 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
Couldn't u have put your whiny rant in w/ all the others???
Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:23 pm to rbdallas
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IT IS THE POOR PERFORMANCE, lack of player development and more. yes you are right,
we are 8 - 2 and..and only lost to # 1 and # 2 arguably...
but we played like crap with others..
and it looks like a trend...
So say next year we play like crap but win every game by 1 point...winning the SEC by 1 point....thus winning the NC by one point, would you be pissed?
My point is record does matter to a certain extent. Also, if Jefferson, Scott, and Peterson don't get hurt we beat Alabama.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:26 pm to danfraz
quote:I think LSU played well enough to win against both UF and UA. But I also think LSU wasn't prepared to play at that level for an entire game. I think that has to do with coaching.
Handled? huh? I must have watched different games...
Handled? Even though the Tigers won the rest of the games, with a couple of exceptions I think LSU was "handled" by teams like MSU and Washington, which in theory should have been routine wins for the Tigers but in fact were titanic struggles. That too is coaching, IMO.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:31 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
I don't mind having high standards but if I were Miles it would be tough listening to folks demanding high standards when they haven't expected that in themselves. 
Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:40 pm to Manswers
We have a right to expect because we have spent all this money?? The two SEC teams that beat us have spent more money. Georgia and Tennessee probably have too. So this excellence you expect to achieve will not happen just because we spend more money than the rest. Think of another reason that gives you this "right".
Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:54 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
I agree with the essence of your post, Eye. Sadly, there is a contingent of older fans who harbor a profound inferiority complex about LSU. Conditioned by the prolonged mediocrity of the Mac era and scarred by the subsequent volatility of the 1980's and 1990's, they will forever cling to the notion that LSU is merely a mid-level SEC program and no more. They endorse Miles not because they passionately believe he is a great coach, but because they obstinately think that he is maximizing LSU's modest potential. According to this school of thought, warped by a history of underachievement, any fan who believes otherwise has simply forgotten LSU's rightful place in the SEC hierarchy. This attitude is merely one instance of a broader pessimism that seems to lurk in the very heart of Louisiana.
LSU fans should expect excellence. LSU has the facilities and recruiting base to be a perennial power. If the last decade has taught us nothing else, hasn't it at least conviced us of that?
All of that being said, this discussion is premature. The 2009 season isn't over. Let's see how the next two games unfold before we come to any conclusions. If we finish 10-2 with competitive losses to Bama and Florida, the season would be quite excellent. No rational fan would disagree. If, on the other hand, we finish 8-4, the opposite conclusion would emerge. You would have a hard time convicing any rational fan that 7-5 (5-5) and 8-4 (4-4) isn't the very definition of mediocrity.
Time will tell.
LSU fans should expect excellence. LSU has the facilities and recruiting base to be a perennial power. If the last decade has taught us nothing else, hasn't it at least conviced us of that?
All of that being said, this discussion is premature. The 2009 season isn't over. Let's see how the next two games unfold before we come to any conclusions. If we finish 10-2 with competitive losses to Bama and Florida, the season would be quite excellent. No rational fan would disagree. If, on the other hand, we finish 8-4, the opposite conclusion would emerge. You would have a hard time convicing any rational fan that 7-5 (5-5) and 8-4 (4-4) isn't the very definition of mediocrity.
Time will tell.
This post was edited on 11/16/09 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:16 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
Apparently you are a negatiger if you expect excellence.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:26 pm to truthbetold
quote:I agree with that philosophy. That is something that I've heard Jeremy Foley (UF AD) say.
if you believe the program is trending towards mediocrity, then what must be done inevitably must be done immediately.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:57 pm to Choctaw
quote:But we won't, so it's a false argument. We are talking reality here, where we are at right now with the program, not some fantasy 'what if' scenario that you dreamed up in your basement.
So say next year we play like crap but win every game by 1 point...winning the SEC by 1 point....thus winning the NC by one point, would you be pissed?
Posted on 11/16/09 at 6:37 pm to The312
quote:Hold it. If anything it may very well be the other way around. I go back to the Dietzel era (as a kid), and believe you are generalizing unfairly. The older ranters I know here are some of the ones saying this present darkness at LSU should not be. We are the ones who suffered under the middle of the pack reality of LSU in the Mac era, and the decline and fall after Arnsbarger left. I've been calling for a return to the culture of excellence established by the recent former coach (no name mentioned) as being one of the biggest contributors to the success he and his present successor enjoyed at LSU.
Sadly, there is a contingent of older fans who harbor a profound inferiority complex about LSU.
There is presently no culture of excellence being taught to this LSU team. So we get what we get from week to week. And you see what that looks like.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 6:47 pm to EyeOfTheTiger311
If you think it is reasonable for ANY program to expect to compete for a National Title every year, you are
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This post was edited on 11/16/09 at 8:12 pm
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