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re: What happened to Jordan Jefferson over the course of his career
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:08 pm to BCS Statmaster
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:08 pm to BCS Statmaster
quote:
What happens to these comparisons when Lee's worst two data points are excluded?
quote:
Jarrett Lee
Season..........152.04 QB Rat - 104/167 62.3% 1306 yards 7.82 ypa 14 TD 3 INT
ALA/OU...........77.75 QB Rat - 13/29 44.8% 122 yards 4.21 ypa 1 TD 2 INT
Rest................167.65 QB Rat - 91/138 65.9% 1184 yards 8.58 ypa 13 TD 1 INT
Jordan Jefferson
Season..........138.71 QB Rat - 61/100 61.0% 737 yards 7.37 ypa 6 TD 2 INT /// 75 car 263 yards 3 TD
BCS/UGA.........80.91 QB Rat - 16/30 53.3% 83 yards 2.77 ypa 1 TD 1 INT /// 20 rush 10 yards
Rest................163.48 QBR Rat - 45/70 64.3% 654 yards 9.34 ypa 5 TD 1 INT /// 55 car 253 yards 3 TD
Pocket QB with a rating of 167 v. Running QB with a rating of 163 and 250 rushing yards.
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:12 pm to CptBengal
quote:Would you like to formulate a cogent and rational basis to exclude one or the other? I am all ears.quote:similarly, you are saying that Northwestern ST is the same as Oregon.
You say that like the SECCG and the BCSCG are exactly the same as a regular season game against Northwestern State or Kentucky or Ole Miss.
quote:I do not exclude the SECCG and the BCSCG for arbitrary reasons. I have expressed clear and rational reasons for excluding them.
the argument is a failure. You can't apply a removal of data points based on arbitrary reasons, and then apply the rationale selectively.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:17 pm to BCS Statmaster
quote:Perhaps we should exclude all games against a Top 5 Defense or even a Top 10 Defense?quote:Excluding outliers is not necessarily invalid, particularly when applied consistently.
Two data points
What happens to these comparisons when Lee's worst two data points are excluded?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:18 pm to lsufball19
quote:Let me ask you this question:
if we can;t come to common ground on what set of data to compare the two, then this argument will go nowhere.
Do you think the SECCG and the BCSCG were representative or typical of Jefferson's performance in 2011?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:20 pm to chilge1
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Pocket QB with a rating of 167 v. Running QB with a rating of 163 and 250 rushing yards.
Excellent, seems balanced ... not sure I am keeping up with the point of this thread.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:26 pm to Salviati
quote:
Perhaps we should exclude all games against a Top 5 Defense or even a Top 10 Defense?
your model ... just trying to help you along with consistency. Keeps arguments regarding arbitrary/adverse selection down.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:27 pm to BCS Statmaster
I think it's been pretty much accepted that Jefferson and Lee were on equal footing in 2011... aside from that, it's mostly a pissing contest over selection of data samples.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 4:18 pm to Salviati
quote:
Let me ask you this question:
Do you think the SECCG and the BCSCG were representative or typical of Jefferson's performance in 2011?
So you're going to pull the outlier card?
well, we can actually look at that, although with such a small sampling, the probability of either performance showing as an outlier is near zero.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 4:19 pm to Salviati
quote:
I do not exclude the SECCG and the BCSCG for arbitrary reasons. I have expressed clear and rational reasons for excluding them.
It's arbitrary. You have no mathematical basis to conclude that they are outliers.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 5:09 pm to CptBengal
I refuse to read 29 pages, just reading the last few posts told me all I needed to know. Educated guess...JJ's family trying to convince us how awesome he was, and comparing him to several NFL stars and the Les apologists making their case for what a great decision Les made sticking with him no matter how horrible because JL threw too many interceptions in 2008.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 6:56 pm to Icansee4miles
quote:
JJ's family trying to convince us how awesome he was,
Stating facts about a qbs career is in no way trying to convince people JJ was awesome. They are a facts, backed up by stats.
quote:
and comparing him to several NFL stars and
No one has come close to saying this.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 7:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188
All these wonderful stats don't matter at all.
The only one that matters is this one immutable truth:
11-17 53 yds and 1 pick....in what was arguably the biggest game in LSU history.
There is no metric to explain this. And for those saying JL would have fared no better......there is no metric to predict that either with any certainty. His hands are clean where that game is concerned.
Miles and JJ share the blame for that debacle, and unfortunately for JJ, this will be his legacy at LSU.
The only one that matters is this one immutable truth:
11-17 53 yds and 1 pick....in what was arguably the biggest game in LSU history.
There is no metric to explain this. And for those saying JL would have fared no better......there is no metric to predict that either with any certainty. His hands are clean where that game is concerned.
Miles and JJ share the blame for that debacle, and unfortunately for JJ, this will be his legacy at LSU.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 7:41 pm to RedTigerRulz
For the uneducated masses of the tigah rant, sure.
For everyone else, not necessarily.
For everyone else, not necessarily.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 7:45 pm to RedTigerRulz
quote:
Miles and JJ share the blame for that debacle, and unfortunately for JJ, this will be his legacy at LSU.
Only to idiots that ignore the absolute shite play by the oline. Hell it wasn't even shite play it was NO play. It was a damn disgrace. That game is the legacy of the offensive line first, last, always. The bama front 7 lived in the damn backfield the whole game. Like I have said before if we had Peyton Manning and Emmitt Smith in the backfield it would not have made a difference. When you know nothing about football besides turning on the TV to watch the game it's very easy to blame the coach and the qb. You have to know what to look for before you fix blame. Otherwise you simply prove Ron White's law. You can't fix stupid.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 7:49 pm to TGFN57
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shite play by the oline. Hell it wasn't even shite play it was NO play
Point taken. Makes you wonder WHY the line played that poorly on that night after having been pretty dominant all year to include TGOC, doesn't it.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 7:56 pm to RedTigerRulz
Lineman can always do a looksee block for QBs they don't like. Just saying.
Posted on 8/1/15 at 1:20 am to RedTigerRulz
quote:
Makes you wonder WHY the line played that poorly on that night after having been pretty dominant all year to include TGOC, doesn't it.
There is no justifiable reason for dogging it. None. If they purposely played badly they are lower than whale shite. Anyone attempting to say that it's ok to do so is also lower than whale shite.
This post was edited on 8/1/15 at 1:22 am
Posted on 8/1/15 at 8:42 am to RedTigerRulz
quote:
-17 53 yds and 1 pick....in what was arguably the biggest game in LSU history.
That's you're opinion. I think an exhibition game that goes in zero ncaa record books IS NOT as big a game as the seccg.
Posted on 8/1/15 at 8:49 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
an exhibition game that goes in zero ncaa record books
Would need to see the replay
Posted on 8/1/15 at 8:55 am to BCS Statmaster
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I agree for the sake of killing this thread. It's Saturday!
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