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re: What do LSU fans generally think of Mark Richt as a coach?
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:18 am to FrodgieBoolatz
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:18 am to FrodgieBoolatz
i read through all 10 pages, and saw a lot of good info, and some not so good. My bottom line is that i do not think he is a very good game day coach. He is obviously a "good" guy, good for the program, great recuiter and what not but his in game descisions seem to be lacking to me overall. Examples can be made both ways but the one that sticks out to me was his first or second year, i can't remmeber excatly who it was against (i want to say FSU), he ran the ball inside the 5 with less than 10 seconds and no timouts and they lost by 4 on the 2 yd line. That is a bad mistake. It was a gamble that only looks good if it is successfull, and it obviously was not, but it was not the first time it happened to him. While he was at FSU i remember Warrick Dunn ending a game with a loss on the 1 yd line. He didn't learn from his mistakes, and i think his in game adjustments are lacking. He wins and loses big a lot. He does not have many "tight" games, and it seems he does not win most of those. Back to your original statment, as an LSU fan, i like him at UGA, i think it increases our chances of beating them.
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Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:49 am to Helmethead
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i read through all 10 pages, and saw a lot of good info, and some not so good. My bottom line is that i do not think he is a very good game day coach. He is obviously a "good" guy, good for the program, great recuiter and what not but his in game descisions seem to be lacking to me overall. Examples can be made both ways but the one that sticks out to me was his first or second year, i can't remmeber excatly who it was against (i want to say FSU), he ran the ball inside the 5 with less than 10 seconds and no timouts and they lost by 4 on the 2 yd line. That is a bad mistake. It was a gamble that only looks good if it is successfull, and it obviously was not, but it was not the first time it happened to him. While he was at FSU i remember Warrick Dunn ending a game with a loss on the 1 yd line. He didn't learn from his mistakes, and i think his in game adjustments are lacking. He wins and loses big a lot. He does not have many "tight" games, and it seems he does not win most of those. Back to your original statment, as an LSU fan, i like him at UGA, i think it increases our chances of beating them.
The Auburn '01 loss on the goalline wasn't from a gamble but simply from a mistake and communication error. It was a bad error, and Richt immediately owned up to it after the game and said he would make the corrections to ensure it wouldn't happen again. And it hasn't.
Using that play as the basis of a case against him reminds me of the people who still bash Miles for Tennessee '05.
Richt has one less loss as a head coach than LSU does in the same period of time. Not sure how that translates to his not being "a very good game day coach".
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:52 am to FrodgieBoolatz
Mark Richt is a great coach and a great recruiter. He is an example for many young coaches to follow, but I still think he is a douche. Reason being is because he coaches at UGA.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 12:32 pm to FrodgieBoolatz
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was a bad error, and Richt immediately owned up to it after the game and said he would make the corrections to ensure it wouldn't happen again. And it hasn't
agreed it has not, but after the 2nd time, i would hope not.
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Richt has one less loss as a head coach than LSU does in the same period of time. Not sure how that translates to his not being "a very good game day coach
it is not the number of losses, it is the fact that his losses are memerable. Of course LSU fans remember their own loses, but the fact that they can come up with most of Richt's losses, says somthing about them. He seems (i know that is a very grey area word) to lose games big and memorable, (ala '08, WVU '05, UT '07, USC '07, AU '01 UF any year you want sans a few) which brings me to his game day coaching, not the number, but the fashion of the losses. All that bieng said, should a coach be judged on his losses rather than his wins? of course not. Is he a good coach? of course he is, do i think he is elite? no.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 12:42 pm to FrodgieBoolatz
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WTF?
Yeah, I don't see the direct correlation between Christian values/faith and black shirts, or team discipline issues either.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 12:49 pm to Helmethead
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My bottom line is that i do not think he is a very good game day coach.
He won over 70 games in 7 seasons in the SEC.
And there is no telling who you think is a good "gameday" coach and why.
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Examples can be made both ways but the one that sticks out to me was his first or second year, i can't remmeber excatly who it was against (i want to say FSU), he ran the ball inside the 5 with less than 10 seconds and no timouts and they lost by 4 on the 2 yd line. That is a bad mistake. It was a gamble that only looks good if it is successfull, and it obviously was not, but it was not the first time it happened to him. While he was at FSU i remember Warrick Dunn ending a game with a loss on the 1 yd line. He didn't learn from his mistakes, and i think his in game adjustments are lacking.
I'm not sure you realize how many games he's coached as OC at FSU and as head coach at UGA. He's made a ton of decisions as OC and a head coach and he's ended up being successful more often than not.
I'm not convinced you've thought heavily about the premise of your argument against him.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 12:55 pm to Rocket
frickin dude is a trip, everytime UGA loses a game in his IMO it's because they had avg players that year, nevermind everybody else, and were supposed to be delusional on here concerning Richt, I think someone needs a reality check.This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 10/22/08 at 12:56 pm to Rocket
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And there is no telling who you think is a good "gameday" coach and why.
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I'm not sure you realize how many games he's coached as OC at FSU and as head coach at UGA. He's made a ton of decisions as OC and a head coach and he's ended up being successful more often than not.
I'm not convinced you've thought heavily about the premise of your argument against him.
aren't personal opinions fun? you get yours and i get mine!
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:00 pm to Helmethead
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it is not the number of losses, it is the fact that his losses are memerable. Of course LSU fans remember their own loses, but the fact that they can come up with most of Richt's losses, says somthing about them. He seems (i know that is a very grey area word) to lose games big and memorable, (ala '08, WVU '05, UT '07, USC '07, AU '01 UF any year you want sans a few) which brings me to his game day coaching, not the number, but the fashion of the losses.
LSU's losses are pretty memorable as well. That's what happens when you are a program that is consistently winning and thus playing in huge games every year for more than a decade straight.
I don't see how anything you are saying here couldn't be said about any other coach. Saban, Meyer, Miles, etc... all great coaches. All with very memorable losses as well.
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:01 pm to Helmethead
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aren't personal opinions fun? you get yours and i get mine!
Of course. That doesn't make yours equally informed though. Which was his point.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:01 pm to Helmethead
They are, I just think the entire argument you made to help support your opinion fell extremely short of what you may have been trying to accomplish.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:02 pm to Rocket
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I'm not sure you realize how many games he's coached as OC at FSU and as head coach at UGA. He's made a ton of decisions as OC and a head coach and he's ended up being successful more often than not.
I'm not convinced you've thought heavily about the premise of your argument against him.
Exactly.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:05 pm to Rocket
don't forget about their bowl game a few years back, maybe against boise state, can't remember. Game is won if they run it up the gut and eat clock. Richt calls a lateral which is promptly fumbled and results in a TD the other way. Don't remember the specfics, but bone headed none the less.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:05 pm to tubucoco
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frickin dude is a trip, everytime UGA loses a game in his IMO it's because they had avg players that year, nevermind everybody else, and were supposed to be delusional on here concerning Richt, I think someone needs a reality check.
Actually, I haven't said that at all. UT '04 and Auburn '01 are two I've specifically listed as games Richt made very bad decisions in leading to losses.
About talent, I've simply said that many here are overrating the talent UGA has had this decade (especially considering our OL woes).
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:07 pm to FrodgieBoolatz
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LSU's losses are pretty memorable as well. That's what happens when you are a program that is consistently winning and thus playing in huge games every year for more than a decade straight.
I don't see how anything you are saying here couldn't be said about any other coach. Saban, Meyer, Miles, etc... all great coaches. All with very memorable losses as well.
Exactly, especially when you lose games when you are in the position of playing for something big.
Frodgie, I like the way you think.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:07 pm to 3lsu3
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don't forget about their bowl game a few years back, maybe against boise state, can't remember. Game is won if they run it up the gut and eat clock. Richt calls a lateral which is promptly fumbled and results in a TD the other way. Don't remember the specfics, but bone headed none the less.
Purdue '03 (Citrus Bowl), and Kregg Lumpkin just flat out fumbled that ball running out the clock. That had nothing to do with Richt. We won in OT anyway.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:19 pm to FrodgieBoolatz
quote:you have, throughout this thread. you have constantly maintained that in transitional years UGA hasn't gotten quality players to maintain there level of play, not just O line players, but other areas, and I just think that is bullshite. if your one of the top dogs in the SEC, you always have a steady stream of new talent comin in.
Actually I haven't said that at all.
you gave an example a few posts ago, about not being able to contend with Auburn in '04 due to lack of talent, yet ya'll wipeout LSU in Athens same season. and LSU with the same team, same year should have beaten Auburn in Auburn if not for poor arse officiating. so you know what your reasoning for UGA and coach Richt not being competitive every year due to lack of talent- A CROCK OF shite! btw, coach Richt is a good coach, like I said earlier
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:20 pm to Rocket
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Exactly, especially when you lose games when you are in the position of playing for something big.
Frodgie, I like the way you think.
Thanks.
Perspective is something sorely missing from most CFB boards unfortunately (UGA's are no different... you get tons of idiots there as well still saying Les Miles is an idiot, just lucky, etc.).
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:22 pm to FrodgieBoolatz
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LSU's losses are pretty memorable as well. That's what happens when you are a program that is consistently winning and thus playing in huge games every year for more than a decade straight.
I don't see how anything you are saying here couldn't be said about any other coach. Saban, Meyer, Miles, etc... all great coaches. All with very memorable losses as well.
in my opinion, in all of my extensive searching, i think Richt loses big games in big ways. I can't recall 7 games between Saban, Miles, Meyer combined (in their SEC era's)that were as bad as the loses i mentioned earlier of his. Again, I don't think it is the losses, just the way he loses, that makes my opinion, in my reasurch to give me the conclusion that he is not an elite coach in the SEC.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 1:27 pm to tubucoco
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you have, throughout this thread. you have constantly maintained that in transitional years UGA hasn't gotten quality players to maintain there level of play, not just O line players, but other areas, and I just think that is bullshite. if your one of the top dogs in the SEC, you always have a steady stream of new talent comin in.
Feel free to clip a quote from where I've done that. I don't believe that is what I have done at all. I've simply said the talent was overrated by many here. Several people made comments suggesting they thought UGA had talent equal to what LSU and Florida have had most of this decade. We haven't. It's been good but for most of Richt's time a clear step behind LSU/UF. Only in the last few years have we gotten skill player talent on par with what LSU/UF have had... but that has been accompanied by an amazing rash of OL injuries, busts, and expulsions leading to our having an OL that greatly inhibits what our offensive skill position players can do.
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you gave an example a few posts ago, about not being able to contend with Auburn in '04 due to lack of talent, yet ya'll wipeout LSU in Athens same season.
You are really distorting what I have said here, fwiw. I didn't say we didn't have the talent to contend. I just said we didn't have an equal amount of talent as that Auburn team (this was after someone called that a "bad" loss). Auburn had four first round draft picks that year, including their entire backfield and 3 players that went in the top 10.
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