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re: What did JJ do that was so bad in the 1st half?
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:23 pm to 1984Tiger
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:23 pm to 1984Tiger
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QB often get more credit than he deserves for a win and also more blame than he deserves for a loss ... goes with the territory.
Right, which is stupid. And why it shouldn't even be considered.
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Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:24 pm to wish i was tebow
This thread is perfect example that LSU fans are full on retard!
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:36 pm to 1984Tiger
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So what has JL done to earn basically no playing time, even when the games are out of reach?
I wish he had played more in a lot of these blowouts, like Arkansas game.
As far as the whole 2 QB system, I don't know. I liked it. I had no issue with it. I thought it was pretty damned effective. I feel as if both are really flawed players.
People always say "Lee is clearly better" or insinuate that Miles is basically playing for JJ just because "he likes him more" or whatever, and I guess I just don't necessarily see the basis for this. JJ's stats are better over the arc of their careers. Even this year, they are, at worst, comparable (JJ higher YPA, slightly lower rating and completion %).
People want to write it off and say "well look at who JJ played against", but it's not as if Lee was out there torching top 5 defenses... in fact, we didn't play against very many good defenses throughout the year, and Lee did a good job of managing the game and protecting the ball, but it seems like a lot of people believe he was throwing for 300 yards and 5 TDs every week.
UGA and Bama are the best two pass Ds we've faced all year. Most talent and best production.
I think you have to take all the SEC passing defense stats with a grain of salt, as well, because there really aren't many offenses in the SEC that challenge teams through the air.
This post was edited on 12/4/11 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:46 pm to OBUDan
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And there's the tell... this isn't really about who is better, it's just that you don't like one of them.
How can I be more clear. I Do Not Like Him.
But I have been all over JL for chucking and ducking. I am not a big JL fan either. We have to mediocre Sr. QB's. I truly hope our best qb has been in hiding by CLM, for if not, we are in deep next year if Mett is not better than these two.
The CLM seeing them more than us, plays well until we have seen both. We know what JL can do and what JJ can do. Both have strong and weak points.
What is baffling is why do you leave JJ in for so long when he is playing so bad, when you have another Sr. QB on the sidelines that lead you to the victories, in the fashion that JL has.
I am of the mindset that we need both. And even if you do not NEED both, why wait until the last moments of a blow out to bring the other guy in?
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:51 pm to Geaux Tahel
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This thread is perfect example that LSU fans are full on retard!
You a bama fan or a retard?
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:53 pm to OBUDan
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OBUDan
dude just stop.
JL went out for 8 straight weeks and performed vs good competition at a consistant better than adequate level.
As did he when he got playing time last year.
Our offense through the first 8 was running smoothly and no one not even you was complaining.
Only thing that JJ has ever been consistant at is being inconsistant.
What LM has chosen to do with these two is something I, nor any other rational logical LSU fan can explain.
The only people that IVe come across this football season that continue to lobby for JJ is you and the select few others on this message board.
Youre right, I dont have any say it.. thats the coaches job.
But I do have, as everyone else an opinion.
I played football and Ive kept up with football since I was a little kid.
WHat Im seeing and have seen makes no sense and the only thing that I can say about it that does make it better, is that its over with after one more game.
This post was edited on 12/4/11 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 12/4/11 at 8:14 pm to novabill
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we are in deep next year if Mett is not better than these two.
Shifting into panic mode for 2012 kinda early, are you?
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What is baffling is why do you leave JJ in for so long when he is playing so bad
The coaching staff plays who they feel is best for team success and to this point, they seem to be doing a damn fine job. What's so hard to understand?
It's not like one is Bert Jones and the other is Paul Lyons...right.
We haven't loss a game no matter who started or played whenever. What's all the fuss bout.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 8:17 pm to TIGRLEE
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the only thing that I can say about it that does make it better, is that its over with after one more game.
Thank God!
Posted on 12/4/11 at 8:19 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Shifting into panic mode for 2012 kinda early, are you?
Really?
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The coaching staff plays who they feel is best for team success and to this point, they seem to be doing a damn fine job
He is the coach, he can do what he wants, regardless of his reasons. I am a fan, on a message board and I can express my frustrations with what and how he is doing it.
Not many on here seem to think that we would not be here if JL got some playing time. Most think that we needed both QB's at times to get here. Just seems that all changed for many, and the coaches, once JJ took over the reigns. If you watched the GA game and think won that game BECAUSE of JJ, well, I have no response.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 8:22 pm to Lonnie4LSU
It's pretty clear to folks that know even a little about football especially after watching the spring game, that Mett is the best overall qb. JJ performance in games was pathetic, like he has played all year. JL, better. Mett is the best of the three. CLM says he don't know system.....BS.....they don't run but about 12 plays....don't take a genius to know basic qb stuff.....like timed routes..when to throw. JJ doesn't look like he has a clue...waits too long to throw most of the time...just glad when we win in N.O. cause next year.....we will overpower everyone.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 8:24 pm to Tiger JJ
JJ is not a good QB at all. I wonder if Mett is any good if JJ is our best QB. This team is so good LSU wins in spite of JJ. JJ will be the worst QB I have ever seen win a National Title. The same goes for Mccarons.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 8:32 pm to peopleschamp
Mett dominated the spring game. Mett knows how to read defenses.....eg.....against Ole Miss....IF CLM had let Mett in games and he showed his potential....more drama for CLM for not letting him start. If Mett can stay out of trouble....we win NC for the next 3 years. Done deal.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 8:33 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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The coaching staff plays who they feel is best for team success
Coaches can be wrong. Look how long Crowton lasted.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 8:43 pm to novabill
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I can express my frustrations with what and how he is doing it.
Sure, knock yourself out.
If 24 hrs after winning an SEC title, going 13-0, and getting to the BCSCG, you feel the need to vent over QB playing time...have at it.
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Most think that we needed both QB's at times to get here
Every LSU fan in the free world knows we have some limitations in our QB play, but our staff has worked around those to go 24-2 since 2010 and 13-0 this season.
I think they probably have a good reason for whatever they do and with our elite success, I will let them coach and I will just be a non-frustrated LSU fan, but each to our own.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 8:48 pm to TIGRLEE
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dude just stop.
Stop what? I know you are incapable of having an actual, rational debate about this subject matter, but I'm not doing anything I need to "stop."
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JL went out for 8 straight weeks and performed vs good competition at a consistant better than adequate level.
Lee played well, I never said otherwise.
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As did he when he got playing time last year.
Lee played well in 3 or 4 games last year and then was largely ineffective and stopped getting playing time.
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Our offense through the first 8 was running smoothly and no one not even you was complaining.
Okay? And then it was porous with Lee against Alabama, and running smoothly again against our next three opponents until last night.
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What LM has chosen to do with these two is something I, nor any other rational logical LSU fan can explain.
See, there's perfectly rational explanations for this. But you are completely unwilling to accept that Jordan Jefferson contributes anything.
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The only people that IVe come across this football season that continue to lobby for JJ is you and the select few others on this message board.
Okay?
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WHat Im seeing and have seen makes no sense and the only thing that I can say about it that does make it better, is that its over with after one more game.
Which, to remind you again, makes you the most pathetic of pathetic fans. You are more concerned with the fate of a single player than you are the brilliant success of our entire team.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 8:52 pm to novabill
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What is baffling is why do you leave JJ in for so long when he is playing so bad, when you have another Sr. QB on the sidelines that lead you to the victories, in the fashion that JL has.
We discussed this last night a lot. I would have had no issues with Lee coming in. If it kills JJ's "confidence" well then so be it. He's a SR. He's an adult. He's been at this long enough that if that kills his confidence, I don't want him playing QB for us anyhow.
My opinion was that Les saw that it wasn't just JJ playing poorly, but the entire offense. And the entire offense wasn't just playing poorly because JJ was... they were doing nothing... blocking was poor, etc. I think he has a big picture enough view to see that, in this case, this doesn't all fall on JJ. It wasn't like the beginning of last year, where we could run on any/every one and still weren't getting anything from the passing game. The ground game wasn't there, and Miles trusted the team would round into shape (and it happened).
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I am of the mindset that we need both.
I wouldn't mind both playing.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 9:04 pm to OBUDan
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You are more concerned with the fate of a single player than you are the brilliant success of our entire team.
I do not see that at all. I see fans that assume that if we can win with JJ playing the way he did last night, we could win with Tbob playing qb.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 9:28 pm to OBUDan
ill play along
#1 ware is still getting PT
#2 it is CLEAR that Hilliard is playing extremely well...aka "the hot hand"
#3 JJ has never moved the offense/played as good as Lee/lee moving the offense "hench the eye ball test" as far as this year is concerned...During that 8-0 span, the offense was fluid, they had confidence and we sustained multiple drives for long periods of time...JJ has NEVER done this on a consistant basic because of his lack of passing ability....you HAVE to be able to throw the ball to keep the defense from loading the box!!!
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Do you feel bad for Ware, who's workload has evaporated in favor of a guy like Hilliard?
#1 ware is still getting PT
#2 it is CLEAR that Hilliard is playing extremely well...aka "the hot hand"
#3 JJ has never moved the offense/played as good as Lee/lee moving the offense "hench the eye ball test" as far as this year is concerned...During that 8-0 span, the offense was fluid, they had confidence and we sustained multiple drives for long periods of time...JJ has NEVER done this on a consistant basic because of his lack of passing ability....you HAVE to be able to throw the ball to keep the defense from loading the box!!!
Posted on 12/4/11 at 9:32 pm to OBUDan
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And the entire offense wasn't just playing poorly because JJ was... they were doing nothing... blocking was poor, etc. I think he has a big picture enough view to see that, in this case, this doesn't all fall on JJ. It wasn't like the beginning of last year, where we could run on any/every one and still weren't getting anything from the passing game. The ground game wasn't there, and Miles trusted the team would round into shape (and it happened).
Agreed on both points.
It still strikes some fans as unjust or favortism in the favor of "superman" when he is playing very badly when there is a good sr. passer on the sidelines that has a history of moving the ball.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 9:41 pm to novabill
Whoever the hell can formulate an argument defending a QB that went 5/13 for 30 yards probably is a damn good lawyers 
He played terrible. I think T.C. McCartney could have done what JJ did.
He played terrible. I think T.C. McCartney could have done what JJ did.
This post was edited on 12/4/11 at 9:42 pm
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