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re: What backfield is better than LSU's?
Posted on 7/9/08 at 10:54 am to TheDoc
Posted on 7/9/08 at 10:54 am to TheDoc
I watched Moreno for Georgia's first 2 or 3 games when he hadn't really proven himself or solidified his spot starting and even then I thought he had the potential to be great and have a great shot at winning multiple Heismans. It is very very hard to believe anyone is better than Moreno, but then again I have yet to see him play.
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Posted on 7/9/08 at 10:57 am to Cussian
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USC is pretty widely accepted (by non-homers) as having the most depth at RB. It was the reason Moody went to UF, and some think Moody may be their best tailback.
Too bad half of those players are up for position changes as well. Gable, Bradford, Tyler, and even Johnson for a while were considered or practiced at different positions. Plus, McKnight missed spring and early summer practice reps.
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Those argueing against teams like UGA and UF because they only have the potential to be great backfields are ignoring the fact that LSU's backfield, though somewhat experienced, is relatively unproven as starters.
UF doesn't run the ball. What if Moreno gets hurt for UGA? Then you have a QB throwing to relatively inexperienced WRs with a relatively inexperienced RB in Caleb King. If LSU loses Keiland, it's not that big of a deal.
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As far as best potential then you have to factor in USC and UF and OU in the mix. WVA is in there as well.
I don't see why OU is even in this discussion. People give Demarco Murray more credit than he deserves. Again, UF doesn't run the ball, but if they did, they'd be in the conversation.
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Hester was our best all-around back last year when you factor in versatility, talent, and experience. The coaches were wise to start him. So far, the other backs are all niche players but Scott has the best all around potential. Stop hating, racists.
You're an idiot. Niche players? Keiland and Richard both can run to the outside and inside and have good pass catching skills.
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None of them will win the Heisman because they will spread the stats around.
This you got right.
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There. Cleared it up for you.
No, you didn't. You fricking suck.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 10:59 am to Buckeye06
quote:depth is part of what makes lsu the best. it's not like they aren't talented. they're about as good as anybody else. a buckeye should know that after seeing 3rd string murphy makes some incredible runs on that defense.
He asked who had the best backfield in the country, not the most depth.
quote:yep, you can. but that's not the case right now.
You can have 2 stud RB's and be the best backfield in the country.
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Who cares if you have 4 good rb's if they don't get the carries.
all backs listed in this thread "get carries". quote:no they don't.
Clemson has the best backfield in the country.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 11:04 am to AlexLSU
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Danny Ware and Kregg Lumpkin had similar seasons where they came out of no where and tore it up.
1300 yards tore it up?
and moreno did it with 2 other senior RBs ahead of him
Posted on 7/9/08 at 11:07 am to HITMAN202
quote:apparently, you and i are watching two different sets of lsu running backs.
But what we know... really know is not good.
quote:have you not seen the flashes of absolutely brilliance each of these backs have displayed?
Holiday is a scat back, but not an every down back. And got injured. Murphy ran litte and showed ability only on the swing pass play. His outstanding spring game was against a second team defense that was horrible at outside contain. Scott got little opportunity, and Williams had difficulty in the short yardage play and inside running.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 11:11 am to Cussian
quote:how many of those backs have as many carries as the lsu backs and have proven to be able to make big plays?
USC is pretty widely accepted (by non-homers) as having the most depth at RB. It was the reason Moody went to UF, and some think Moody may be their best tailback.
quote:ohio state? what has any osu back other than wells done?
As far as best accomplished backfield (which includes QB) it's pretty hard to argue against Clemson or UGA or even OSU.
quote:whether they are starters or not is irrelevant. they have ALL shown the ability to break a big play at pretty much any point in any situation.
LSU's backfield, though somewhat experienced, is relatively unproven as starters.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 1:51 pm to bfniii
I don't want a brilliant back, but a workhorse like Hester (who by the way was not overly "skilled".. speed, agility were just ok, but he did have good field vision and hands. What made him was toughness.) Again, we don't know what these guys will bring to the table. Flashes of brilliance? I don't question that #5 has had some good runs and #32 was awesome against Kentucky, but its the 3-4-5-6 yard carries that wear out a defense that matters. Particularly if we are green at QB.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and moreno is that good. king may be better. that's how good he is
no king isnt that good because hes never played in the sec, so u dont know how he will do. potential is diff than actuality
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:09 pm to BethanyTiger
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While living in Bossier I don't recall LSU fans belittling or downright trashing someone in another state because of a natural disaster or being better because of a football team.People love the Tigers but not to the extent that it becomes overly offensive everytime football comes up. They think everyone in Louisiana is trash or beneath them. If you don't believe me then take a drive up here and I'll put you up room and board and you can make the observation for yourself
wel c n that half of my family lives n OK city i have seen first hand the die hard OU fans. honestly i've never heard them trash LSU bc of a natural disaster?? i hav heard them hate on the tigers mainly bc i talk so much trash about OU.
but o well u just needed to vent, i aint mad at u.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:14 pm to iwyLSUiwy
USC for sure. STephon Johnson has shown just as much as KW and Scott. McKniight--well there ya go. At fullback, proven--Stanley Havili. Plus add in the depth and it is USC for sure in both the top 3 and depth.
This post was edited on 7/9/08 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:17 pm to hashtag
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Jackson State
you mean Jacksonville State I assume because of RP
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:21 pm to AlexLSU
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Plus, McKnight missed spring and early summer practice reps.
He missed the last two weeks of spring.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:31 pm to AlexLSU
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LSU=AWESOME
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Too bad half of those players are up for position changes as well.
Which is my point. They are so stacked at RB, they have to find other things for them to do. Sincy you are ignoring that quarterback is in the backfield, Sanchez is a very good one and has Mustain to back up. They have very good depth - see how it works?
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What if Moreno gets hurt for UGA? Then you have a QB throwing to relatively inexperienced WRs with a relatively inexperienced RB in Caleb King.
WHich is why I say they have great potential you moron. Use a dictionary.
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If LSU loses Keiland, it's not that big of a deal.
Maybe.
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I don't see why OU is even in this discussion. People give Demarco Murray more credit than he deserves. Again, UF doesn't run the ball, but if they did, they'd be in the conversation.
6 ypg on 127 carries and most rushing TDs??? Heard of Bradford???
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You're an idiot. Niche players? Keiland and Richard both can run to the outside and inside and have good pass catching skills.
They only run inside when there are BIG holes. The coaches have not tried to use them as power runners and in RMs case, they are right. They are not (yet) short yardage inside runners. Your momma.
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You fricking suck.
Your momma.
And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
HAVE A GREAT DAY
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:32 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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STephon Johnson has shown just as much as KW and Scott. McKniight--well there ya go. At fullback, proven--Stanley Havili.
still.... stephon johnson compares to just one back, not both KW AND CS. mcnight is comparable to holliday with breakaway and special teams ability. Havili = johnson. but u dont have n e body to match up with r. murphy. LSU is deeper
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:35 pm to bfniii
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ohio state? what has any osu back other than wells done?
Youre right. He's just a front runner for the Heisman. He looked pretty good against LSU. Got over a hundred yards. Boekman will also be in conversation for Heisman. Seine is pretty explosive too. I didn't say they were deep, but both Wells and Boekman are more accomplished and experienced than KW,RM, CS, Lee, and Hatch. Thats a fact.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:38 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Havili = johnson
Hardly. You must have missed Havili last year. You also say that McKnight is another Holliday? You must have also missed McKnight as her got in his groove the last 1/3 of the season.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:41 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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but u dont have n e body to match up with r. murphy.
That would be CJ Gable who is actually listed at the top of the tailback depth chart after Spring.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:44 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Hardly. You must have missed Havili last year. You also say that McKnight is another Holliday? You must have also missed McKnight as her got in his groove the last 1/3 of the season.
we hav a blocking fb, thats all we need im to be. and u must have missed holliday the entire season.
but my piont was that we are still 2 backs deeper if u look at it like this:
johnson = Williams (williams with the edge in my mind)
mcnight = scott (mcnight here)
havili = johnson
that leaves nobody to match up with holliday and murphy.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 2:58 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Just went back and checked the stats and of course I'm right on this:
KW, RM, CS combined stats: 150 att 6.9 ypg 13 TD
OUs Murray: 127 att 6 ypg 13 TD - and he wasn't even the starter
When you combine him and Bradford vs new QB for LSU, OU gets the edge. On RB depth and versatility, LSU may be better but only a hopeless homer would take Lee/Hatch over Bradford.
Slow work day.
KW, RM, CS combined stats: 150 att 6.9 ypg 13 TD
OUs Murray: 127 att 6 ypg 13 TD - and he wasn't even the starter
When you combine him and Bradford vs new QB for LSU, OU gets the edge. On RB depth and versatility, LSU may be better but only a hopeless homer would take Lee/Hatch over Bradford.
Slow work day.
Posted on 7/9/08 at 3:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:i agree. while there is no doubt that usc has the horses, let's not go making them out to be BETTER than lsu. they aren't. at most, it's even.
still.... stephon johnson compares to just one back, not both KW AND CS. mcnight is comparable to holliday with breakaway and special teams ability. Havili = johnson. but u dont have n e body to match up with r. murphy. LSU is deeper
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