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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:39 am to
Posted by BeaumontBengal
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:39 am to
But they’re still better than Alabama.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:39 am to
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What did Alabama do that proved that they are better than Auburn when they were not last week?


Auburn losing 3 games put them behind Bama. Its not what Bama did, its what Auburn didnt do (WIN).
Posted by BeaumontBengal
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:41 am to
Alabama didn’t win shite.

Third place in the SEC is not winning.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 8:43 am
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:41 am to
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They didnt need the SECCG. Remember resume doesnt matter. Auburn was a top 4 team until they lost and proved they werent



I'm pretty certain I just explained the reasons as to why it did matter that Auburn needed to play, and win, the SECCG.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:41 am to
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Bama lost to us in 2011 and was still the best team in the country.


Absolutely Not.
Posted by Greace
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:42 am to
So why didnt Wisconsin get in? Better Loss and they played in a conference championship game and they had stronger SoS
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
24813 posts
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:43 am to
quote:

Alabama didn’t win shite


Please point out where anybody said they won something.

It pains me that I'm making an argument for Bama. Did Ohio State also have an argument? Absolutely. One of them was going to be left out though, and I think the committe got it correct.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:43 am to
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So you aren't wanting the 4 best teams in the playoffs, which is bullshite.


You're completely discounting the qualitative measuring done by the conferences. Your discounting it, frankly, in favor of wins over Mercer, when decisions are made, team-by-team, presumably to lead them to the conference championship. So, they do that, in an ugly fashion, and you pick a team that they defeated (either actually or by process of elimination), because you favor that team for other than competitive football reasons.

quote:

There is no requirement that says you have to win your conference to be one of the playoff teams.


You're correct. This should be at least implicit in selection criteria. I mean, we have 5 P5 champs every year. If an at large team is clearly better than 2 of them, that should be an easy pick.

But, to let guys jockey for position in the "playoffs" while losing their conference is ridiculous on the face of it. Auburn or Georgia demonstrated they are the best teams in the SEC. On the field. Bypassing either of them for Alabama is corruption, any which way you want to describe it.

Period.
Posted by LSUdude247
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:44 am to
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Absolutely Not


So you are saying Bama wasn't better then us?

Trust me, the 2011 team was amazing.

But if Alabama had a kicker, we would've lost by 10-15 points.
They left so many points on the field due to bad kicking, they were better in all aspects.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
24813 posts
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:44 am to
quote:

So why didnt Wisconsin get in? Better Loss and they played in a conference championship game and they had stronger SoS


I admittedly do not know the numbers to compare Bama and Wisconsins resumes. You may have a valid argument here though.
Posted by BeaumontBengal
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:45 am to
You just said Auburn had to WIN as you put it to get in. Alabama didn’t win anything this year.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:45 am to
quote:

It pains me that I'm making an argument for Bama.


I don't know you well enough to call bullshite on this. I'm not going to dig up posts because I'm not all that worried about it. However, any LSU fan arguing this strongly for Bama is likely a Sabanista. I apologize if I've judged you harshly.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:46 am to
3 Ls by Auburn vs 1 by Bama is what does it....nothing else.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
24813 posts
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:47 am to
quote:

I don't know you well enough to call bullshite on this. I'm not going to dig up posts because I'm not all that worried about it. However, any LSU fan arguing this strongly for Bama is likely a Sabanista


Please do. Dig into my post history and find anything that would point towards me being a fan of Bama.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:48 am to
quote:

3 Ls by Auburn vs 1 by Bama is what does it....nothing else.


Until you need something else to put Bama in, right? An undefeated Tulane team wouldn't do it for you, right?

(Just making sure we're on the same page.)
Posted by BeaumontBengal
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:48 am to
So Alabama is a better loser therefore no doubt one of the best 4 teams. No significant wins needed.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
24813 posts
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:49 am to
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You just said Auburn had to WIN as you put it to get in. Alabama didn’t win anything this year




Alabama did not simply just sit at home and make the playoffs. It ONLY worked out that way because other teams lost, allowing them and argument.

Had Wisconsin won, then there isn't even a debate. Bama was out.

Had Bama been in the SEC CG, then they also would have HAD to win to get in...just like Auburn and UGA had to win.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:49 am to
quote:

Dig into my post history and find anything that would point towards me being a fan of Bama.


"Sabanista" doesn't mean Bama fan. It means an irrational worship of Saban. Many of our "fans" are part of this cult. Anyone arguing this hard for a non-SEC Champion Bama team is likely a Sabanista. I stand by that.

There is no good reason to put that team in, when it was qualitative decided that the best team in the conference is UGA. Another team should get an opportunity that Bama had in the Iron Bowl to prove it on the field.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
24813 posts
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:50 am to
quote:

An undefeated Tulane team wouldn't do it for you, right


No...an undefeated UCF didnt do it (and shouldn't have). But an undefeated Wisconsin would have done it.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
94832 posts
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:51 am to
quote:

Alabama did not simply just sit at home and make the playoffs.


That's exactly what they did. Sit at home and rest. Just like 2011 (and you think they deserved that spot over Okie State, I presume).

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