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Okay. Thanks for backing up your opinion with at least your observations. That's what we mostly deal with here.

My observations were very different... and it's not the end of either of our worlds.

It's been posted over and over again, about J.L.'s lack of improvement throughout the course of the year. We knew J.J. could run, but defenses would make adjustments. J.J., if nothing else, showed that he would throw the ball away, rather than into multiple coverage. Sure, he was limited, but he didn't kill us. J.L. did, and the coaches' commitment to him when most of us screamed "why?", will always be a vexing question about this coaching staff.

Man! Find a sport that you have a chance of knowing ANYTHING about, but not CFB. This is one of the dumbest rants that I have ever seen posted on here, and believe me, that is going really lo-o-o-o-o-w. What a moron. Does Jaime Bice have any eligibilty left? How about Sol Graves?




You forgot Chad Loup.

and... last I checked... Sol Graves didn't throw one interception at LSU.

Well, I agree that JJ has a lot of athleticism and is a better runner, but being a great QB requires a lot more. Peyton Manning is no where near the most gifted athlete but he is one hell of a QB. QB is about a lot more than just how you look as an athlete. I think a lot people are looking at the "flash" of JJ, rather than the substance. Had he led us to victory over a bad Arky team, I'd be willing to give him more credit, but as bad as the defense played, how many first downs did JJ get in the 2d half? I lost count of the 3 and outs in the 2d half of that game. If the offense would have done anything productive after the first drive of the 2d half that game would have had a much different outcome.

Many on here are pumping JJ as the better QB based on not throwing pic 6s, and while that is an important factor, how many drives did he have the length of the field vs. how many 3 and outs? how many come from behind, back against the wall drives did he lead? None that I recall, and in his golden opportunity to make a name for himself in Tiger lore, he didn't manage the hurry up offense at the end of the arkansas game very well at all, holding the ball way too long before taking action.

Many want to blame the coaches for not advancing the ball with 3 time outs but a large part of the blame has to go to the QB, the man with the ball in his hands on the field. (ok, i know the ref got in the way of the receiver on his first play, but how much time had run off the clock before then and how much room did JJ have to run before that?).

Thus, all of those that want to jump on the JJ is better bandwagon, explain why he wasn't able to get but one scoring drive (if I remember correctly) against Ole Miss, and only led one scoring drive in the 2d half of the Arky game? I just didn't think he moved the chains that well. So yes, looking off the safety and throwing a nice deep ball for a TD was a great play and sign of good things to come, but what else did he do?
Let's not forget the pass at the end of the first half in the arky game. While that 3rd down play was a dumb call (one of the worst coaching moves all year), JJ's throw was no where close!!!

Thus, in conclusion, while JJ is a fantastic athlete and I think has great potential to be a great QB at LSU, he's not there yet. He's young and will get better but clearly doesn't have a broad range of plays he capable of running at this point. JL, in spite the points he gave up with the pic 6s, also consistently moved the chains and he led a lot of scoring drives, including clutch drives at the end of games.

There was a reason JL started ahead of JJ, and I'm willing to respect the coaches decision in that regard and I truly believe they had a good reason for doing so.

Look. Your analysis is mostly on target. But, the players decide who their leaders are. J.L. had more than the support he deserved this year. I wish that the coaches in years past would have been so patient with their QB. Be fair, J.L. had his chance, and he might have another. But, J.J. looks better now.

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let me clue you in. after the numerous russell vs flynn threads no this board, it became blatantly obvious that people saying flynn was smarter only said that because he was white. EVERYTHING else pointed in the other direction. just as in this case, EVERYTHING else points in the other direction when you say lee is smarter than jefferson.

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The loss to Bama could have easily been a win. Yes JLee made a couple of mistakes. But the stupid play calls in OT were not on JLee, nor was the dropped touchdown pass or the bobble that gave Bama it's first INT.

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Pick 6 means anything to you? JL is terrible. Stares down receivers, threw more ints than tds, is afraid to run for first downs and kid can't run. Did I mention that he was negative yards on every attempt to run, thats just horrible.

You 're going to judge this on one start vs what, 10?

Hmmm. I can't definitively say who's better but, based on what we've seen of the two, I don't understand what you would base saying JL is better on. JJ seems like more of a gamer, a better runner, and from the little we've seen, at least as good of a passer, and so far, a better decision maker.

Grant it we haven't seen much of him but, I dont understand the basis of saying JL is better based on what we've seen.

JL is a better QB,just NOT in Crowtons system!!!