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re: Top 10 LSU QBs - Geaux
Posted on 6/4/14 at 11:35 pm to TopsInAmericaTim
Posted on 6/4/14 at 11:35 pm to TopsInAmericaTim
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Jamarcus Russell??? Really??? Could throw the ball 80 yards off his knees, but like the Gorilla that could hit a golf ball 400 years and got up to the hole with a 3 foot putt and hit the ball another 400 yards... Quarterbacks win and win the big ones. Hodson was probably the best for a career. He had less around him most of the time. Put him on the 2010, 11, 12 teams and we win 2 nattys. Bert Jones easily number 2 but had to deal with an era where the option QB took over so they alternated the best QB in the nation with Paul Lyons... Geez
JR won a ton of huge games at LSU. In 2005, he beat #11 Florida, #16 Auburn and #4 Alabama (I think it is also worth mentioning he was knocked out of the SEC title game in the first half due to injury). In 2006, he beat #8 Tennessee, #5 Arkansas, and #11 Notre Dame. Also, if you think we lose a game in 2007 with JR you are insane. In his two years as a starter, I don't believe LSU lost a game outside of maybe 2005 Tennessee in which LSU was the favorite. Don't diss JR's time at LSU.
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Posted on 6/4/14 at 11:42 pm to easy money
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he threw for 300 yards once
He left the game at fricking half time about half the time you dumb arse. He would go in. Crush a lesser opponent and then we would let Flynn hand the ball off for a half. Were you people not alive 9 years ago? Did you not watch the games? These are the scores of the games we won in 2006:
45-3
45-3
49-7
48-17
49-0
38-6
28-24
28-14
23-20
31-26
41-14
Also, the whole argument about the offense being stacked around him is also bs. The first half offense of 2006 was only JR and the WRs. We had pretty much no dependable running game, which is why we lost against Florida and Auburn. We couldn't run the ball. KW and Hester were not the KW and Hester of 2007.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 10:07 am
Posted on 6/5/14 at 3:09 am to TopsInAmericaTim
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Jamarcus Russell??? Really??? Could throw the ball 80 yards off his knees, but like the Gorilla that could hit a golf ball 400 years and got up to the hole with a 3 foot putt and hit the ball another 400 yards... Quarterbacks win and win the big ones. Hodson was probably the best for a career. He had less around him most of the time. Put him on the 2010, 11, 12 teams and we win 2 nattys. Bert Jones easily number 2 but had to deal with an era where the option QB took over so they alternated the best QB in the nation with Paul Lyons... Geez
Agree with this 100%. These young guys just don't have the 'wisdom' us old-timers do.
BTW, Jones also rotated with Buddy Lee one year as well IIRC. Used to frustrate me to high heaven every time Cholly Mac took Bert out and in ran Lee. 
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:00 am to glaucon
and STILL threw into dbl coverage. lighting up Moo St doesnt really do it for me.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:38 am to Clark W Griswold
LSU has never had a QB anywhere near as good as Bert Jones. Jones had JRs physical gifts as well as a good head on his shoulders. If you ranked JR above Jones you are either jejune or lacking familiarity with Bert Jones.
There are several other LSU QBs who were as effective as JR, though they lacked his physical gifts. Rohan Davey was more effective.
There are several other LSU QBs who were as effective as JR, though they lacked his physical gifts. Rohan Davey was more effective.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:36 am to Penrod
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There are several other LSU QBs who were as effective as JR
Not really. Maybe 1 or 2. Jones or Davey. Look at the stats. Look at the wins. Think of all of the memorable comeback and dramatic victories.
The fact that he flopped in the NFL doesn't take away from what he did at LSU. No one will admit it, but that clouds people's judgments. The revisionist history of his time here is hilarious.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:58 am to Brageous
Ya Tittle-Bert Jones -Mauck. 
Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:58 am to lsu2006
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The revisionist history of his time here is hilarious.
It more pisses me off. He doesn't have a "bad" loss on his resume at LSU. Rohan lost to an unranked Ole Miss and took a terrible beat down to Florida in 2001. Bert Jones lost to an unranked Ole Miss team, had two losses each season he was a full time starter, and the team couldn't manage to score a touchdown a couple times his senior season. JR lost one home game the whole time he played at LSU and then only to a team ranked in the top 10 in the country after 2 hurricanes ripped through the state. He lost 2 games his last year both to teams ranked in the top 5 in the country one of which would go on to win the national championship whose only lost that year was to the same team that JR's other loss was too.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 8:59 am
Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:58 am to BayouBengals03
Yes, Mett was better than Mauck. The revisionist history in this thread is out of control.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:06 am to glaucon
It's honestly unbelievable.
Matt Mauck is getting put on everyone's list just because he won a national title but he was a legitimate LIABILITY against good teams in 2003.
Against Ole Miss, UGA 2x, and OU his stats read-
55.9% 161 YPG 4 TD's 7 INT
CLEARLY he should get credit for winning a national championship, not the defense and running game...
Matt Mauck is getting put on everyone's list just because he won a national title but he was a legitimate LIABILITY against good teams in 2003.
Against Ole Miss, UGA 2x, and OU his stats read-
55.9% 161 YPG 4 TD's 7 INT
CLEARLY he should get credit for winning a national championship, not the defense and running game...
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:10 am to DallasTiger45
quote:Some posters offering names of <50% CR QBs with many more INTs than TDs.
The revisionist history in this thread is out of control.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:14 am to lsu2006
To illustrate the gap between Matt Flynn and Jamarcus Russell, consider this-
Jamarcus Russell's average passer rating in 2006 was 167.
That average was HIGHER than every single one of Flynn's games in 2007.
It's a little more difficult to compare QB's from different eras because of the differences in how the game was played, so Jamarcus vs. Jones and Tittle is much more subjective. But Flynn and Russell played in the same era in very similar situations, and Russell vastly outperformed Flynn in pretty much every significant metric.
Jamarcus Russell's average passer rating in 2006 was 167.
That average was HIGHER than every single one of Flynn's games in 2007.
It's a little more difficult to compare QB's from different eras because of the differences in how the game was played, so Jamarcus vs. Jones and Tittle is much more subjective. But Flynn and Russell played in the same era in very similar situations, and Russell vastly outperformed Flynn in pretty much every significant metric.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:15 am to Topisawtiger
Jamarcus benefited from having the best team in the nation around him. They were bigger, stronger and faster... If he'd been so great he would have shown it at the next level. Players are many times simply the benefactor or victim of being in the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time. JR was a good college QB.
RE: Racisim. Racism is actually when a whole "Race" is hated. Race Baiting politicians and "Civil Rights" activists who are actually working for the FBI and other govt agencies call everything racist, so media that need ratings can put them on the air and stop the remote and they repeat, as Nazi Propagandists taught, the lie often enough and loud enough so that eventually people with little independent mental ability for critical thought will jump every time the word racist is mentioned... and eventually they'll be unable to understand what racism really is. Get off the flouride (Read Dr. Charles Perkins original research on it) and you'll find that you're capable of independent, critical thought... Or else you'll just end up doing what you're told your whole life and eventually wind up in an old folks home with some nurse of a different color stealing your money beating the crap out of you because she thinks you're a racist... Life has a way of taking itself out on stupid people...
RE: Racisim. Racism is actually when a whole "Race" is hated. Race Baiting politicians and "Civil Rights" activists who are actually working for the FBI and other govt agencies call everything racist, so media that need ratings can put them on the air and stop the remote and they repeat, as Nazi Propagandists taught, the lie often enough and loud enough so that eventually people with little independent mental ability for critical thought will jump every time the word racist is mentioned... and eventually they'll be unable to understand what racism really is. Get off the flouride (Read Dr. Charles Perkins original research on it) and you'll find that you're capable of independent, critical thought... Or else you'll just end up doing what you're told your whole life and eventually wind up in an old folks home with some nurse of a different color stealing your money beating the crap out of you because she thinks you're a racist... Life has a way of taking itself out on stupid people...
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:19 am to easy money
Jamarcus Russell and Bert Jones are 1 and 2.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:24 am to TopsInAmericaTim
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Jamarcus benefited from having the best team in the nation around him. They were bigger, stronger and faster...
You could also argue in the alternative that JaMarcus elevated the play of those around him to inflate their worth. Was Buster Davis really a first-round talent? Doucet was drafted in the 3rd and currently isn't on an NFL roster after being on a practice squad last year. Bowe was and is a beast. No getting around that.
So, JaMarcus had unbelievable talent around him, but the National Title squad that Flynn played on didn't? We had a wayyy better running game in 2007 than we did in '05 or '06, really good receivers and a very good tight end in Dickson.
What about the talent around Mauck? The talent around Mett?
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If he'd been so great he would have shown it at the next level. Players are many times simply the benefactor or victim of being in the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time.
His failures at the next level had absolutely nothing to do with his talent or physical abilities. You clearly don't know anything about him or the game of football if you think that's the case.
And can we please separate his pro career and his college career? This is about greatest QBs at LSU. Not LSU QBs that were good here and also were good in the pros.
Not addressing the 2nd part of your post.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:30 am to TopsInAmericaTim
So were Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Danny Wuerffel, Matt Leinart, etc not great college QB's?
Saying that players prove it on the next level is crazy talk. It's very possible to be an incredible college football player and become a bust/be unsuccessful in the pros.
Saying that players prove it on the next level is crazy talk. It's very possible to be an incredible college football player and become a bust/be unsuccessful in the pros.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:36 am to DallasTiger45
in no particular order
Mettenberger
Russell
Mauck
Davey
Tyler
Hodson
Risher
Jones
Hillman
Tittle
Mettenberger
Russell
Mauck
Davey
Tyler
Hodson
Risher
Jones
Hillman
Tittle
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:50 am to Rouge
1a.Jordan Jefferson
1b. Jarrett Lee
1b. Jarrett Lee
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:54 am to TopsInAmericaTim
quote:
Jamarcus benefited from having the best team in the nation around him. They were bigger, stronger and faster... If he'd been so great he would have shown it at the next level. Players are many times simply the benefactor or victim of being in the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time. JR was a good college QB
So, you are saying that Tebow wasn't a great college quarterback? Or Vince Young? Or any great college quarterback that didn't go on to have a good career in the NFL?
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RE: Racisim. Racism is actually when a whole "Race" is hated. Race Baiting politicians and "Civil Rights" activists who are actually working for the FBI and other govt agencies call everything racist, so media that need ratings can put them on the air and stop the remote and they repeat, as Nazi Propagandists taught, the lie often enough and loud enough so that eventually people with little independent mental ability for critical thought will jump every time the word racist is mentioned... and eventually they'll be unable to understand what racism really is. Get off the flouride (Read Dr. Charles Perkins original research on it) and you'll find that you're capable of independent, critical thought... Or else you'll just end up doing what you're told your whole life and eventually wind up in an old folks home with some nurse of a different color stealing your money beating the crap out of you because she thinks you're a racist... Life has a way of taking itself out on stupid people...
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:57 am to TopsInAmericaTim
quote:
RE: Racisim. Racism is actually when a whole "Race" is hated. Race Baiting politicians and "Civil Rights" activists who are actually working for the FBI and other govt agencies call everything racist, so media that need ratings can put them on the air and stop the remote and they repeat, as Nazi Propagandists taught, the lie often enough and loud enough so that eventually people with little independent mental ability for critical thought will jump every time the word racist is mentioned... and eventually they'll be unable to understand what racism really is. Get off the flouride (Read Dr. Charles Perkins original research on it) and you'll find that you're capable of independent, critical thought... Or else you'll just end up doing what you're told your whole life and eventually wind up in an old folks home with some nurse of a different color stealing your money beating the crap out of you because she thinks you're a racist... Life has a way of taking itself out on stupid people...
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