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re: Those classy, knowledgable LSU baseball fans are on fire today
Posted on 3/27/11 at 10:09 pm to ScottieP
Posted on 3/27/11 at 10:09 pm to ScottieP
Hosting a regional is important but winning is the more important issue. The problem is since the super regional format started, lsu has not gone to Omaha if they do not host the supers. 99 lost to Bama, 2001 lost to tulane, 2002 lost to rice, 2005 lost to rice in regionals, 2006 no postseason and same in 2007. 2008 won supers against cal irvine and beat rice in 2009. Lost to ucla in regional last year.
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Posted on 3/27/11 at 10:11 pm to ScottieP
Not a season ticket holder. Do go to games. Have followed LSU baseball/gone to games since 1984.
It is the lofty expectations like this that have spoiled the fans. We are a victim of our own success. It is VERY HARD to get to Omaha. It takes some good baseball, good fortune, and a good draw. Hosting super-regionals doesn't even guarantee your anything (ask Ole Miss) but it makes it easier. In baseball, the light switch can come on very quickly (ask the team 2 years ago that was buried til they won 24 in a row, or whatever it was). Am I a little concerned that our big goals might not be met? Sure, somewhat. Am I ready to panic, call the program disgusting and pathetic, question if Mainieri is the right choice, and wonder if he does anything right in practice? NO. That talk is idiotic.
I appreciate your thoughtful response. Most of the replies to my posts have been assholeish in nature.
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I know that a LSU baseball season is not a success unless you go to Omaha.
It is the lofty expectations like this that have spoiled the fans. We are a victim of our own success. It is VERY HARD to get to Omaha. It takes some good baseball, good fortune, and a good draw. Hosting super-regionals doesn't even guarantee your anything (ask Ole Miss) but it makes it easier. In baseball, the light switch can come on very quickly (ask the team 2 years ago that was buried til they won 24 in a row, or whatever it was). Am I a little concerned that our big goals might not be met? Sure, somewhat. Am I ready to panic, call the program disgusting and pathetic, question if Mainieri is the right choice, and wonder if he does anything right in practice? NO. That talk is idiotic.
I appreciate your thoughtful response. Most of the replies to my posts have been assholeish in nature.
Posted on 3/27/11 at 10:13 pm to ScottieP
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I believe 3 times. Smokes last year, CPM's first and last season
1988 as well...that team hit the skids big-time at the end of the season and didn't even make the tournament.
ETA 1987 at UNO and 1989 at Texas A&M
This post was edited on 3/28/11 at 12:10 am
Posted on 3/27/11 at 10:16 pm to Weaver
I am with you on this one. Skip used to always say 20-10 will win you the SEC. Now a days 20-10 is what is needed to host a super regional.
At 1-5, I do not see 20-10 in our future.
I am not saying the seaosn is over but some things need too change. We need to starting hitting in bunches. We get 8-10 hits a game but alot are singles and they a spread through out the game. With our pitching we need to stop making errors. If those things can change we will start winning ball games.
At 1-5, I do not see 20-10 in our future.
I am not saying the seaosn is over but some things need too change. We need to starting hitting in bunches. We get 8-10 hits a game but alot are singles and they a spread through out the game. With our pitching we need to stop making errors. If those things can change we will start winning ball games.
Posted on 3/27/11 at 10:29 pm to LSUGrad9295
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t is the lofty expectations like this that have spoiled the fans. We are a victim of our own success.
I agree but that those are the expectations of LSU baseball. Everyone including the players and coaches know it.
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Am I a little concerned that our big goals might not be met? Sure, somewhat. Am I ready to panic, call the program disgusting and pathetic, question if Mainieri is the right choice, and wonder if he does anything right in practice? NO. That talk is idiotic.
I agree too many people get to high when winning and to low when losing. As they say things are never that good and never that bad.
As for Mainieri I am not saying he is not the right guy or needs to go. Hell as far as I am concerned his seat is not even warm. But I do question some of the decisions he makes.
1- He leaves pitchers in to long. He takes way to long to get relievers up in the pen.
2- Think we are relying to much on small ball. I know with the new bats the game is different. But early in games we need to play for the big inning.
3- I question how Grewe calls pitches (esp with 2 strikes).
4- I question J Sanchez as a hitting coach. I know we hit for a good average but we have struggled the last 2 years in getting the timely hit. We leave way to many people on base. It seems our guys go up to the plate with the same approach no matter what the situation (men on base or a 2 strike count).
Just my thoughts from my vantage point down the 3rd baseline.
Posted on 3/27/11 at 10:41 pm to ScottieP
So knowledgable. Here are some of the threads full of knowledge that are surfacing as we speak...
--Is Mainieri a one-hit wonder
--Does Mainieri teach fundamentals
--Our coaching staff has not gelled (WTF)
--Almost time to press the panic button
--LSU baseball disgusting and pathetic
You know when LSU fans are most classy and knowledgable?? When LSU is WINNING. Best winners in the world. Start losing just a little, and your true colors shine through: whiny spoiled a-holes.
KNOWLEDGABLE baseball fans know that losing 6 of 7 is not the end of the world. KNOWLEDGABLE baseball fans know that in a 7-inning double header, anything can happen. KNOWLEDGABLE fans know that April and May determine the ultimate fate of the season. CLASSY fans do not call their own team disgusting and pathetic.
You people make me sick. Flame away at me, I do not care. You are not worthy of supporting LSU athletics, especially baseball.
First off, never ever call LSU fans A-holes. Those same fans pay the bills of the LSU athletic department and if they get a case of the red arse over something, let them rant, as it is usually pretty spot on. LSU baseball is 1-5 to start SEC play. That is not good in any context.
Second, never ever question LSU fans loyalty. As much as it costs to see LSU play, fans expect and demand a sound fundemental performance, not a mediocre or poor one. Certainly not several ones.
Last, there is a creeping awareness among the fan base that there has been a paradime shift relative to championship athletic prowess in all sports. It appears in these hard times that mediocrity is acceptable or some semblance of it as long as the fan base is not in an uproar over it.
--Is Mainieri a one-hit wonder
--Does Mainieri teach fundamentals
--Our coaching staff has not gelled (WTF)
--Almost time to press the panic button
--LSU baseball disgusting and pathetic
You know when LSU fans are most classy and knowledgable?? When LSU is WINNING. Best winners in the world. Start losing just a little, and your true colors shine through: whiny spoiled a-holes.
KNOWLEDGABLE baseball fans know that losing 6 of 7 is not the end of the world. KNOWLEDGABLE baseball fans know that in a 7-inning double header, anything can happen. KNOWLEDGABLE fans know that April and May determine the ultimate fate of the season. CLASSY fans do not call their own team disgusting and pathetic.
You people make me sick. Flame away at me, I do not care. You are not worthy of supporting LSU athletics, especially baseball.
First off, never ever call LSU fans A-holes. Those same fans pay the bills of the LSU athletic department and if they get a case of the red arse over something, let them rant, as it is usually pretty spot on. LSU baseball is 1-5 to start SEC play. That is not good in any context.
Second, never ever question LSU fans loyalty. As much as it costs to see LSU play, fans expect and demand a sound fundemental performance, not a mediocre or poor one. Certainly not several ones.
Last, there is a creeping awareness among the fan base that there has been a paradime shift relative to championship athletic prowess in all sports. It appears in these hard times that mediocrity is acceptable or some semblance of it as long as the fan base is not in an uproar over it.
Posted on 3/27/11 at 10:48 pm to GFunk
quote:What would be so "really impressive" about an 8-4 stretch in SEC play? We've done that or better each of the last three years (and two different times in '09). An 8-4 run in conference play is hardly a "seriously rosy" prediction.
Splitting those up, let's give ourselves a seriously rosy long-term goal of taking a minimum of 2/3 of each of our next 4 SEC series. That would be a really impressive run.
quote:I disagree. I think what you have outlined is well below the range of "optimistic" outlooks. Again, predicting something that happens essentially every season is hardly being optimistic.
This is an optimistic outlook about the short-term prospects for our team.
quote:How? What goal is achievable with 7 losses that is not achievable with 8? That just doesn't make any sense. It's not like they've just lost the first game of a double elimination tourney; THAT is a "ZERO room for error" situation. This is just a rough week and a half.
LSU has ZERO room for error from this point forward.
quote:In 2004, we lost 15 games (that's more than TWICE as many as we've lost this year), went 0-2 in the SEC Tournament, and still hosted a regional. And as for deep runs in the SEC Tournament, we've won it the last three years. Why would we view a "deep run" as some remote fantasy rather than a reasonably likely outcome?
It means we'll almost HAVE to make a run deep into the SEC Tournament to solidify any hot-streak we get from the rest of the year on.
quote:I'm not sure what distinction you make between "in trouble" and having "their backs against the wall", but if there's no trouble what's got us pinned to that wall?
LSU is not in trouble, but they have their backs against the wall
Posted on 3/27/11 at 10:49 pm to ozland
Lofty expectations are not THEY ARE OUR EXPECTATIONS. What the hell you think this is? THat we're just happy to make it?
Posted on 3/27/11 at 10:55 pm to ozland
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First off, never ever call LSU fans A-holes. Those same fans pay the bills of the LSU athletic department and if they get a case of the red arse over something, let them rant, as it is usually pretty spot on.
Starting a thread with a title "LSU baseball is disgusting and pathetic" is very a-hole-like, no matter how much money you pay. Kudos to admins for whacking that thread.
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Second, never ever question LSU fans loyalty. As much as it costs to see LSU play, fans expect and demand a sound fundemental performance, not a mediocre or poor one. Certainly not several ones.
I am surprised it took this long for this gem to come down the bend. All the "cost of seeing LSU play" guarantees you is a seat in the ball park. It does not guarantee you wins, great performances, or championships....just the right to go sit down and watch. If you don't like that risk, then don't buy a ticket. Simple as that. Demand all you want...you are not guaranteed shite, nor should you be.
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It appears in these hard times that mediocrity is acceptable or some semblance of it as long as the fan base is not in an uproar over it.
What do you want them to do? Fire the coach? I think the fellas on the team know they need to do better. Just in case, though, I will forward this to the head baseball coach and let him know you are pissed. Maybe that will light a fire under their asses.
Posted on 3/27/11 at 11:22 pm to ozland
quote:In a sea of ignorant, self-important blathering on this board, this comment truly does stand out.
It appears in these hard times that mediocrity is acceptable or some semblance of it as long as the fan base is not in an uproar over it.
It is sad and amazing at the same time that someone believes their mindless rantings on an insignificant message board actually has a meaningful impact on the handling of a major collegiate athletics program. It is true delusions to believe that anyone outside the teenage to early 20s athletes themselves would bother considering the "uproar" of so-called fans on a website when making decisions involving some of the most highly successful professionals in all of sports.
If anyone has need to resort to such delusions, I do feel sorry for them.
At any rate, GEAUX TIGERS!!
Posted on 3/27/11 at 11:30 pm to GFunk
quote:Good for you.
For LSU to not host a regional is NOT acceptable to me.
quote:Not even close.
It's been the standard of this program to do so in almost all but one year-if I'm not mistaken-since the mid 1980's.
quote:No, it doesn't. (cf., LSU's 2004 Super Regional)
A Super Regional means you've got to have a Top 8 National Seed heading into the NCAA Tournament. Either that, or you have to deal with one coming to your place if you throw a strong enough bid out there to host one.
quote:Good for you, you got one right.
LSU has never won a Super Regional on the road. Ever.
quote:Apparently, you don't, or you wouldn't be that worried. We were just as "close" in '08 and '09 and made it both years; we were much further away last year and ended up not even winning a regional (which we didn't host, for the SIXTH time since we hosted our first one ever in 1986).
I know how close we are to absolutely losing that goal this year.
Posted on 3/27/11 at 11:46 pm to King Joey
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which we didn't host, for the SIXTH time since we hosted our first one ever in 1986
Was going to say you were wrong...but I went back and re-counted and 6 is correct...I had forgotten about College Station and UNO hosting in 1989 and 1987.
This post was edited on 3/27/11 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 3/28/11 at 12:02 am to LSUGrad9295
[quote]--Is Mainieri a one-hit wonder
--Does Mainieri teach fundamentals
--Our coaching staff has not gelled (WTF)
3 SEC tourney titles in a row and a 09 NC is all anyone needs to know bout PM at this point in time.
Some need to take a chill pill and let the Tigers work it out. imo
--Does Mainieri teach fundamentals
--Our coaching staff has not gelled (WTF)
3 SEC tourney titles in a row and a 09 NC is all anyone needs to know bout PM at this point in time.
Some need to take a chill pill and let the Tigers work it out. imo
Posted on 3/28/11 at 12:14 am to The Boat
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It's been pretty bad out there on the western front today.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 10:32 am to Lonnie4LSU
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3 SEC tourney titles in a row and a 09 NC is all anyone needs to know bout PM at this point in time.
Yep...one would think he has earned the benefit of the doubt by now...
Posted on 3/28/11 at 10:52 am to LSUGrad9295
Losing in March is not the end of the world.
Losing the way we are losing is not a good sign of things to come.
I prefer to be a posi-Tiger so I'll go with the "it's early" argument.
Losing the way we are losing is not a good sign of things to come.
I prefer to be a posi-Tiger so I'll go with the "it's early" argument.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 10:58 am to LSUGrad9295
quote:
So knowledgable. Here are some of the threads full of knowledge that are surfacing as we speak...
--Is Mainieri a one-hit wonder
--Does Mainieri teach fundamentals
--Our coaching staff has not gelled (WTF)
--Almost time to press the panic button
--LSU baseball disgusting and pathetic
You know when LSU fans are most classy and knowledgable?? When LSU is WINNING. Best winners in the world. Start losing just a little, and your true colors shine through: whiny spoiled assholes.
KNOWLEDGABLE baseball fans know that losing 6 of 7 is not the end of the world. KNOWLEDGABLE baseball fans know that in a 7-inning double header, anything can happen. KNOWLEDGABLE fans know that April and May determine the ultimate fate of the season. CLASSY fans do not call their own team disgusting and pathetic.
You people make me sick. Flame away at me, I do not care. You are not worthy of supporting LSU athletics, especially baseball.
One helluva post. Seriously, no flame, no troll. Great, great post.
If more LSU fans were like yourself, I would have nothing bad to say about ya'll as a group. I hope the Saturday OM game is full of like minded LSU fans interested in some good natured rivalry, baseball talk, tailgating fun.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 11:04 am to LSUGrad9295
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LSUGrad9295
You seem to be on the mark today, so tell me this...
Watkins - drops another routine fly ball... isolated to Watkins performance or an indicator of a lack of team focus ? You can add Nola's Es to that equation also.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 11:16 am to ccomeaux
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Watkins - drops another routine fly ball... isolated to Watkins performance or an indicator of a lack of team focus ? You can add Nola's Es to that equation also.
I know you didn't ask me but, imho, it could be either or something totally different. But that's what LSU pays PM for. To watch that stuff and make the necessary changes/coaching moves to "fix" those things.
If PM thinks it's an isolated deal, a bad weekend thing, he may not move people around or adjust things much because he believes it's an anomaly. He has all the inside knowledge. He knows about each players personal lives, he knows how they've performed at practices, the comments they're making in games and in the dugout, he talks to them personally, etc. He has ALL the knowledge, fans only have knowledge of what they see and rumor started on the internet. Therefore, speculation and worst case scenarios abound.
I guess the short version is, PM is the coach, let him handle dropped balls, E's, cold bats and streaky pitching. A level headed fan will give him time to improve those problems. The only thing fans can dictate is the length of time he has to fix it. At this time, a rational LSU fan would give PM all the time in the world considering his very recent past accomplishments.
You don't want to hear it, but this entire season, imho, is not too long. If he can get ya'll back on track to another NC next year, this season will not be a waste.
Oh and if ya'll DO decide to dump him after this season for no SECT or Regional appearance, can you give him Pete Boone's phone number?
fwiw.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 11:20 am to OPR
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I know you didn't ask me but
No problem, thanks for the response. But, it's a fly ball.... a routine fly ball. Maybe it's just me but that just seems to indicate more than a bad play. Don't take me wrong, I think we'll bounce back and I won't bash my Tigers but C'mon Man, catch the damn ball.
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