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re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:24 pm to DesenselessPlayer
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:24 pm to DesenselessPlayer
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Wrong. And I’ve already proven the fallacy of this thought so I’m not going to do it again here.
You haven't "proven" anything. You've merely typed your opinion onto a fan site. A lot of us don't agree with your opinion. keep it real.
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Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:25 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Your ignorance of college football is astounding.
The HC has the final say on scholly offers. How much PT you get depends on how you fit that HCs schemes. Your HC is your ultimate mentor and defender. If a HC moves on, his recruits are at risk of not being a fit in the next guys schemes.
Also, promises get made to players and their families. If that HC moves on, the next HC is under no real obligation to honor the last guys committments.
That's why extensions are important. If a HC has less than 4 or 5 years on his contract, it looks to recruits and families that the coach has one foot out the door.
THANK YOU FOR UNEQUIVOCALLY PROVING MY POINT BEYOND ANY POSSIBLY RAISED DISPUTE, these people arguing counter are a load of dumbass traitors who should be sent to re-education camps
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Wrong
You continuously prove that you have no clue what youre talking about.
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With that in mind, here’s how I have the 2018 NFL Draft’s raw college results (or, if you’re looking for full player-by-player picks, those are over here). We’ll have some cooler versions of these numbers to follow later.
12: Alabama
7: LSU, NC State, Ohio State
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If you want to say lost 5 of 9 while not making any changes, that's more accurate.
It wasn't because of the lack of changes though, as others have mentioned. It was because we hadn't done better than 3 losses in a few years, and 2016 had a 3+ loss season staring us in the face again after Auburn.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Miles was fired for 3.5 losses
He was fired for refusing to fix it. He was perfectly happy with it and blamed Harris.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:tRant myth. He had already changed to predominantly 3 WR in '15 and said they would tweak, but the engine (LF7, DG5) was strong.
Miles promised changes,
Miles fatal flaw was Cam sticking with Harris, instead of prepping Etling for start during camp imo.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:29 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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THANK YOU FOR UNEQUIVOCALLY PROVING MY POINT BEYOND ANY POSSIBLY RAISED DISPUTE, these people arguing counter are a load of dumbass traitors who should be sent to re-education camps ?
If O loses 7 games next year, did that contract create stability?
Traitors to lsu are people that are fine with this extension regardless of the buyout. People like you are fans of the coach.
Find one recruit saying a coach's contract made him commit to prestigious program.
This isnt ball state.recruits know that winning is the only thing that gives coaches real stability.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:30 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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THANK YOU FOR UNEQUIVOCALLY PROVING MY POINT BEYOND ANY POSSIBLY RAISED DISPUTE, these people arguing counter are a load of dumbass traitors who should be sent to re-education camps
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He was fired for refusing to fix it. He was perfectly happy with it and blamed Harris.
Probably because the year prior we had one of the most productive offenses in the sec.
Has O ever had that during his tenure?
Youre just not gonna comment on being proven wring in the nfl draft pick post?
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Fedora blamed Harris.
He was perfectly happy with it and blamed Harris.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Do you even have a clue of what kind of long-range promises HC's make to blue-chip recruits and their families? If you don't know, no one's going to tell you.
Traitors to lsu are people that are fine with this extension regardless of the buyout. People like you are fans of the coach.
Find one recruit saying a coach's contract made him commit to prestigious program.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:34 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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That's why extensions are important. If a HC has less than 4 or 5 years on his contract, it looks to recruits and families that the coach has one foot out the door.
And yet, Orgeron pulled in what appears to be a Top 5 class this year with a contract that expires at the end of the 2021 season, when these players would be juniors.
Les Miles pulled in the #2 class in the country after he was essentially fired and re-hired in November of 2015.
It seems like this stability thing is a myth.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
But that offense had More problem than just the passing game, was literally 1 second from beatinf Auburn.
Realistically it’s because we lost. If we win 17-16 and 24-18 with a healthy LF7 our passing game is just as bad.
My point is we lost because the offense didn’t work. But the offense really didn’t work that well for years. Les was fired because he had squandered too many opportunities losing games he should win.
And Os hasn’t shown he can win all those games yet.
10-3 is better but it’s not so far from 9-3 that O should be considered amazing.
And 9-4 is significantly worse.
Realistically it’s because we lost. If we win 17-16 and 24-18 with a healthy LF7 our passing game is just as bad.
My point is we lost because the offense didn’t work. But the offense really didn’t work that well for years. Les was fired because he had squandered too many opportunities losing games he should win.
And Os hasn’t shown he can win all those games yet.
10-3 is better but it’s not so far from 9-3 that O should be considered amazing.
And 9-4 is significantly worse.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
O took 52 4 and 5 star players.
Senior returning starting cb
Returning all sec rb
Best dc and oc money could buy.
AND LOST 4 GAMES.
Including losing to a mid major that had zero nfl draft picks. Its the same mid major team you claimed was more talented than lsu in an attempt to remove blame from the staff and their scheme.
Including the worst loss in lsu msu history.
But sure lets shite on texas 4 loss seasons.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:37 pm to slackster
quote:So he recruited most of this class in the last year or two, while he had 4+ years left on his contract. And he could honestly tell them that an extension was coming in the 2019 off-season.
And yet, Orgeron pulled in what appears to be a Top 5 class this year with a contract that expires at the end of the 2021 season, when these players would be juniors.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:38 pm to slackster
quote:Fabricated by Rosy Finch PR Dept.
It seems like this stability thing is a myth.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:39 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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If O loses 7 games next year, did that contract create stability?
I'm in the camp that doesn't have a problem with the extension as long as the buyout isn't detrimental to the school, the greater good is sustaining the momentum we currently have with recruiting and not fricking it up and we accomplish that by assuring recruits about the status of our coach as to deter negative recruiting and poaching in-state talent, the extension sustains the upward trending of the program.
As for your 7-loss hypothetical, it really depends on the buyout and whether it's an absurd amount no AD in their right mind would ever include in an extension or it's a manageable amount we'll still have to eat but passes a cost-benefit analysis given the circumstances. Now I don't think we're gonna lose 7 games next season with the talent we have returning and Aranda as DC so the point you're exclusively relying on is an olympic-level stretch of course but we'll have to cross that bridge when we see the buyout terms. Geaux Tigers.
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Traitors to lsu are people that are fine with this extension regardless of the buyout. People like you are fans of the coach.
You could argue either way about who the traitors are and who aren't, I just think for this particular fact pattern and trajectory of our program, an extension is agreeable and allowable from a long-term perspective and we should support it if the buyout terms are manageable for the good of recruiting pursuits, it matters to these recruits who the HC is eminently and obviously.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:41 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Do you even have a clue of what kind of long-range promises HC's make to blue-chip recruits and their families?
Long range? You mean the 3 years most blue chip recruits stay for?
Again, recruits know that coaches dont have to keep promises. Recruits know that if they go to a program with title expectations, WINNING IS THE ONLY THING THAT CREATES REAL STABILITY. Youve never in your life been around a blue chip recruit if you had youd know that of they go to a big time program and the program struggles, the coach will be gone.
You have no clue what youre talking about. Stop acting like there is this widespread thing about coaches guaranteeing 4 and 5 year scholarships.
That rarely happens because blue chip recruits dont stay 4 and 5 years normally.
Educate yourself instead regurgitating rant bullshite or shite you heard some other football ignorant person say.
I ask again....
If O loses 7 games next year, has that contract created stability?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
it’s all the same system
Jones ran the ball 17 times vs Bama and 21 times Vs Oregon.
The passing game is more or less the same.
Haskins was a “pro-style” QB and he still had 79 carries this year.
They don’t run him as often but the passing game isn’t different.
Jones ran the ball 17 times vs Bama and 21 times Vs Oregon.
The passing game is more or less the same.
Haskins was a “pro-style” QB and he still had 79 carries this year.
They don’t run him as often but the passing game isn’t different.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 4:43 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:The smart HCs keep their promises - word gets around fast.
Again, recruits know that coaches dont have to keep promises.
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