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re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We have some world class experts on the Rant
Didnt you already admit this year was make or break for O?
I swear you forget your own stances.
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Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:39 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Didnt you already admit this year was make or break for O?
Yep
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I swear you forget your own stances.
Has absolutely nothing to do with what he said
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Please link my posts calling 3 loss seasons great. Ill wait.
Youre conflating my posting about Miles' entire tenure to the 3 loss seasons that everyone agreed wasnt good enough at lsu and ultimately led to him getting fired.
Youre conflating my posting about Miles' entire tenure to the 3 loss seasons that everyone agreed wasnt good enough at lsu and ultimately led to him getting fired.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
If you agree next year is make or break for O you should have no issue talking about succession plans.
You yourself have admitted we are 13 games away from knowing O isnt the right guy.
Try to keep up.
You yourself have admitted we are 13 games away from knowing O isnt the right guy.
Try to keep up.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
So if the details comes and and basically it’s the same as his original co tract and his buy would be 12.5 million in 2020, would you then agree that this was a bad move?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:45 pm to Rickdaddy4188
And now that O has won more games, he looks a lot more stable.
Even though he had less years on his contract.
Does anyone really think other coaches can sell a kid in 2019 that O is in the hot seat if LSU is out there kicking arse and ranked in the top 10?
Even though he had less years on his contract.
Does anyone really think other coaches can sell a kid in 2019 that O is in the hot seat if LSU is out there kicking arse and ranked in the top 10?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Your ignorance of college football is astounding.
At no point has any recruit ever not signed with a school over a coach's contract. Coaching contracts in no way creat stability. Coaches are hired and fired regardless of contract lenght all the time. Giving O an extension in no way HELPS lsu right now. It can only hurt lsu in the future.
The HC has the final say on scholly offers. How much PT you get depends on how you fit that HCs schemes. Your HC is your ultimate mentor and defender. If a HC moves on, his recruits are at risk of not being a fit in the next guys schemes.
Also, promises get made to players and their families. If that HC moves on, the next HC is under no real obligation to honor the last guys committments.
That's why extensions are important. If a HC has less than 4 or 5 years on his contract, it looks to recruits and families that the coach has one foot out the door.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:47 pm to SammyTiger
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So if the details comes and and basically it’s the same as his original co tract and his buy would be 12.5 million in 2020, would you then agree that this was a bad move?
Not necessarily.
He's not getting fired next year.
His buyout will be reasonable regardless in 2021.
Now if you're talking a 10M buyout after 2021, we might have some problems.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:48 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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If a HC has less than 4 or 5 years on his contract, it looks to recruits and families that the coach has one foot out the door.
Less than 4 or 5 years? Are you fricking kidding? And you want to talk about other people's "ignorance"
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:49 pm to SammyTiger
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Does anyone really think other coaches can sell a kid in 2019 that O is in the hot seat
It's harder this year, but it was definitely used last year.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:50 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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If a HC has less than 4 or 5 years on his contract, it looks to recruits and families that the coach has one foot out the door.
I guess thats why Jimbo Fisher, after flirting with LSU in 2015, was able to sign Cam Akers and Marvin Wilson.
or how Les Miles signed the #3 class in the country after basically being fired in November 2015.
I swear...it's like people want to ignore what is right in front of them.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
're still fighting tooth and nail to preserve his legacy
Stating facts about is tenure isnt fighting tooth and nail. Its called reality. As someone that says he didnt want Miles fired and was a great supporter of miles you sure have a problem with someone posting facts that prove Miles' tenure overall was elite.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:52 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Stating facts
Your favorite cut and paste.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:53 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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That's why extensions are important. If a HC has less than 4 or 5 years on his contract, it looks to recruits and families that the coach has one foot out the door.
I agree With you that coaches are important to kids, but at the same time I disagree With you that a coach with 3 years left and a good record is at some disadvantage. No one thinks O is leaving LSU and as long as he keeps winning he’ll stay here. We have a full season of football to evaluate him before early signing day.
We can give him an extension after next season before signing day.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's harder this year, but it was definitely used last year.
There is no contract that will keep a coach with a subpar record from being seen as unstable.
Look at Gus. His buyout is as close to malpractice as an AD can get.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:56 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Your ignorance of college football is astounding.
The HC has the final say on scholly offers. How much PT you get depends on how you fit that HCs schemes. Your HC is your ultimate mentor and defender. If a HC moves on, his recruits are at risk of not being a fit in the next guys schemes.
Coaches are fired all the time regardless of contract.
Do you follow college football.
Link me to 1 recruit ever saying a coaches contract was factored in.
Just one.
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Also, promises get made to players and their families. If that HC moves on, the next HC is under no real obligation to honor the last guys committments.
Neither is the coach that made the promise.
Do you follow college football?
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That's why extensions are important. If a HC has less than 4 or 5 years on his contract, it looks to recruits and families that the coach has one foot out the d
Winning is the only thing that creates real stability.
As far as football knowledge goes....
I knew more football at age 12 than anyone youve ever known on a 1st name basis.
You on the other hand couldnt point out a jack lb if your life depended upon it.
You couldnt tell a zone blocking scheme from man blocking scheme if Kevin Mawae was sitting next to you.
You wouldnt know whether a rn was reading his blocks inside out or outside in if barry sanders was sitting on your lap.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:57 pm to SammyTiger
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Look at Gus
Auburn is ranked 12th with only 18 recruits right now. Gus is doing very well.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Your favorite cut and paste.
Yeah most adults tend to use facts in their stances.
Most people that use facts dont need to chnage their responses.
People that are using opinions tend to change their stances and their responses.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:58 pm to Chet Donnely
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Less than 4 or 5 years? Are you fricking kidding? And you want to talk about other people's "ignorance"
Jimbo has 9 years on his contract
Dabo has 8 years on his contract
Saban has 7 years on his contract
Lincoln Riley has 6 years on his contract
Mullen has 5 years left on his contract
Gimme a break, moron
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:59 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Jimbo has 9 years on his contract
Dabo has 8 years on his contract
Saban has 7 years on his contract
Lincoln Riley has 6 years on his contract
Gimme a break, moron
And WINNING AT AN ELITE LEVEL create the stability, not those contracts.
Can you have a normal discussion without ad hominem attacks?
You comparing O to those multiple playoff and title winning coaches is laughable.
No one would blink at giving O an extension if he had the resume of any of those coaches.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 3:00 pm
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