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re: The measuring stick: Saban

Posted on 11/21/13 at 1:49 pm to
Posted by Big Old Ern
NW Arkansas
Member since Sep 2013
50 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

By your logic, every coach in the nation is a failure except Saban. If that's your assertion, at least it's consistent with your logic

You don't understand logic... No one is suggesting that there is only one success and a multitude of failures.

What I am suggesting is that it is ridiculous to toss out the best person before conducting comparisons.
Posted by tigercamp
Hammond, LA
Member since Nov 2013
14 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 1:51 pm to
quote My only issue with Les is the way he speaks to the media. He sounds like a complete moron most of the time. Just like this morning I listened to him babble something about LSU wanting to run the ball but the need to be balanced but I couldn't figure out the hell he was saying.

I have to agree with this. I can't imagine that things would be much different when he talks to the players.. I've that the players love him and that they play hard for him BUT if can HE get them motivated when they're not motivated enough (like against Ole Miss for ex)
Posted by tigercamp
Hammond, LA
Member since Nov 2013
14 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 1:56 pm to
Chavis is the weakest link, not Miles!! He's had extremely talented players to work with in the past. He may have some now but they haven't shown improvement as the season's progressed.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 1:57 pm to
I have said this before. Nobody and I do mean nobody from Louisiana has any right to criticize how someone else speaks.
Nobody that has come up through the Louisiana public education system should ever criticize anyone else.
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10995 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:06 pm to
Posted by kpg4842
Houston Texas
Member since Apr 2013
317 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:09 pm to
Not No But Hell No!
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
6418 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

it is getting just as old as losing to the Gumps.

I get as upset with Miles' blunders as the next guy. But the FACT is(and this really is a fact) that Les beets the Gumps more than anyone else. By a wide margin. What other coach has beaten Saban 3 times?
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20189 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

What other coach has beaten Saban 3 times?


Ol' Ball Coach
Posted by HollierThanThou
Member since Jan 2012
6268 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:18 pm to
Trying to be reasonable on here is like running into a wall over and over again...the effort is there but you're not getting anywhere
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168968 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

measuring stick:


quote:

Saban


all kinds of potential for short jokes here
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

I have said this before. Nobody and I do mean nobody from Louisiana has any right to criticize how someone else speaks. Nobody that has come up through the Louisiana public education system should ever criticize anyone else.


Are you really as big a mental midget as your posts suggest???? Please feel free to speak for yourself from this point forward....good god!

Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33256 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:57 pm to
Then its simple.......better than Saban or your mediocre.

Got it
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31427 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

Would you say the defense is well coached this year?


It's the same it has been coached for the last few years. These kids are the ones blowing coverages in the Georgia and Ole Miss games, not Chavis. That's on the players.


quote:

Chavis is the weakest link, not Miles!!


This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 3:27 pm
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31427 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:23 pm to
quote:

There's just been too much stubbornness and bone-headed plays on CLMs part to justify that huge salary.


I don't really get that poeple call him stubborn. He was quick to get rid of Malleveto. Got rid of Crowton when he got stale, and brought in Cam to run a much much more aggressive offense. Unfortunately, it happened in a year where we lost 8 defensive starters.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83192 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

Probably not, but he didn't. So it's pointless to think about.

In all fairness, everything ever written on Tigerdroppings is pretty much pointless
Posted by BRAVEHEART
Member since Aug 2012
1525 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

Is this another Imokaywithmediocrity thread?
Yes it is. Yet another Imokaywithmediocrity thread from one of the MAL's. (Mediocrity Accepting Losers) AKA, the "Masses of Asses." How much is the LSUAD paying you clowns to post all that cheerleading BS on here?
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33899 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

You must feel great about yourself, then...

Except, that deep down you don't and can't. Deep down you know that you are tricking yourself into thinking highly of yourself.

By your logic, I'm the greatest basketball player ever because I can beat average high school kids.




Miles isn't beating average high school kids. He's beating his peers. This is FBS competition, and overall he's performed brillantly by comparision.

You probably compare unfavorably to the top 1% in your profession. Does that mean you can't ever say that you're doing a good job?

You hold Miles to a standard you don't hold yourself to.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 3:50 pm
Posted by diehardfan
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2005
5333 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

Probably not, but he didn't. So it's pointless to think about.


When the OP claims Miles to be "A very good coach" then I think it is very relevant.

You and others who answered the question said Miles would not be as successful had he followed DiNardo rather than Saban. In that statement you are admitting that some of Miles' success is indeed because of Saban.

The OP also claims Saban to "likely be the greatest HC in the history of the NCAA".

Is it really fair to conclude Miles is "A very good coach" if some of his success is indeed because he followed Saban ("likely the greatest HC in the history of the NCAA")?

The OP also concludes that it isn't fair to compare Miles to Saban. Since Miles followed Saban at LSU, it seems like he would be the most relevant coach to compare to Saban in my opinion.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33256 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 4:01 pm to
quote:

quote:Is this another Imokaywithmediocrity thread?Yes it is. Yet another Imokaywithmediocrity thread from one of the MAL's. (Mediocrity Accepting Losers) AKA, the "Masses of Asses." How much is the LSUAD paying you clowns to post all that cheerleading BS on here? 


Wow....what a fricking monkeydick. You know nothing about me you fricking douche.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33256 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

The OP also concludes that it isn't fair to compare Miles to Saban. Since Miles followed Saban at LSU, it seems like he would be the most relevant coach to compare to Saban in my opinion. 


.....then by that logic, hes better than Saban. Considering he has had a better record at LSU. Amirite?

My contention is Les is doomed to always fall short unless he beats saban on the way to an SEC and NCAA championship.

Understand this, I am not happy with the current state of affairs and think Les needs to get it straight. Im just trying to be fair.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 4:07 pm
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