re: The LesBechler Theory

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Not if he played Saban in the BCS Title game

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Or Art Briles, right?

And 13-1 is still a better record than 12-1

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And 13-1 is still a better record than 12-1

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Yep, a whole half point. But at least the 12-1 has a piece of crystal to show off.

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you should have made that point when you said Miles would go 13-1 with Bama's team this year.

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you knew what I meant from the beginning smart arse.

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but LSU did not get SMU'd by Hallman, it was way too strong for that.

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If by "SMU'd", you mean "sanctions from the NCAA, effectively neutering the program for a decade plus", of course, by your terminology, you're correct. That will always work when you are in control of twisting somebody else's words into a strawman.

What Hallman did do, almost singlehandedley is take a program that had 5 losing seasons in the previous 40 and lost 4 straight seasons. He over-recruited running backs, none of which were 1/4 of the back Marshall Faulk was, whom he literally chased to San Diego State because he saw him as a defensive back.

He won, by my count, 16 ball games - (think about that, Saban and Miles had single seasons just 3 short of that) in 4 seasons, but only FIVE of which came against anybody other than Tulane, the Mississippi SEC schools, Arky and Arky State -

Vandy, Utah State, Bama (1 out of 4), and 2 games against Kentucky.

Tulane and Miss State alone accounted for 1 short of half of all Hallman wins. He had 2 losses to rent-a-wins (we give Saban enough trouble for 1, but at least Saban won a bunch of football games), Colorado State and Soouthern Miss.

But what was worse during the time period was - we clearly were not getting talent, or a full return on our coaching dollar. There was no confidence in the athletic administration OR the football program from the average fan. We bought tickets and went to the games, but we knew there would have to be significant changes in the way we did "football" at LSU for there to be any improvemement.

Dinardo did 30 to 40 percent of that work, and did so under very unfavorable conditions. Saban did the rest, to his credit, but the conditions had changed significantly and he was able to ride the momentum built up by Dinardo - who had a very successful first 3 seasons, all things considered.

What I mean is no coach can tear down everything including the foundation. That would take giving up the program voluntarily or like SMU.

Archer/Hallman sure did tear much of it down, but there was far too great of teams, coaches, players that set a very solid foundation to build on. DiNardo benefited greatly from that (see the quick turnaround), but he was a very flawed coach in the end. His hate of two-sport athletes hurt Baseball and T&F teams too.

His loyalty to bad assistants, limited recruiting to regionally, and archaic ways of thinking football players can only be good if they stick with football helped cause some tearing up of what he helped build too.

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quote: and Miles for that matter, do with Bama's roster?

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I like the way you just cut off the part of the question you didn't want to answer.

If you say those guys would have done what Saban did, it makes Saban's accomplishments look less impressive.

If you say they wouldn't have done as well, it makes you look stupid for saying those guys would do better than Miles, because Miles actually had a much tougher schedule and accomplished more than Saban did overall.

Does that mean Miles has just built LSU into that much better and more talented of a program than Saban has built up at Bama?

Once again, I'll hang up and listen.

Spurrier would've been the ULTIMATE Saban replacement IMO.

[quote]You left out the part where $abun intentionally tried to sabotage our program by suggesting we hire houston nutt. He knew lsu would crash and burn with that clown, in turn making it look like lsu couldnt thrive without the saban. a douche[/quote

lol

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Maybe we just need to treat TD like the *LM press conference. We are only allowed to say positive things. We cannot question *LM. Or we may lose our posting priveleges. Or worse yet, we may lose our jobs, homes,reputations and live in utter shame and destitution.

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Agree.

Well said.

Some ranters I guess don't understand concepts such as metaphor and context.