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Posted on 12/15/09 at 3:34 am to TheDoc
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The following QB's had worse Efficiency ratings than JJ
nonsense
JJ is the worst QB in the country
at least thats what i've gotten from the rant
Post whore stats don't tell the whole story.
JJ's inability to read defenses,read progressions,penchant for holding the ball too long,and over all lack of understanding the game kept the offense sputtering all year. Like Lee in '08,he had to start too soon. The speed of the game should slow down for him next year.
How did your coach do things?
Posted on 12/15/09 at 3:49 am to TheDoc
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McElroy did this with a much better OLine, a much better running game, a much better OC, and much better playcalling. Yet, it's Jefferson that's our main problem on offense.
What would you know about play calling?
Was your coach a good play caller? Have you ever called plays?
Video games don't count.
Play calling is predicated on what your players can do. The option has the effect of avoiding the rush and making opposing teams reluctant to blitz as it gives a numbers advantage to the offense and increases the chances for a big play. You don't think Crowton knew his line couldn't block?
Crowton knew enough about play calling to beat Bama twice while coaching at La. Tech.
Doc,where did you coach? You never played the game but know so much.
What makes you such an expert?
Posted on 12/15/09 at 3:53 am to Stevo
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The following QB's had worse Efficiency ratings than JJ
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How do you know jj doesn't find his secondary reciever. I'll love this. Tell me. How do you know.
He rarely even looks for a secondary receiver. He locks onto the receiver who eventually gets the ball, assuming he musters the courage to throw the ball. You should pick your battles. JJ is an above average runner, has a great arm, and has the potential to develop into a good QB, but only with significant improvement with his pocket presence/awareness/poise.
Agreed! This time last yr all the flute players were claiming JJ was going to be all world this year while not understanding the need for experience and both physical and mental maturity.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 3:58 am to Roaad
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what was LSU's total for rushing this year?
avg per game?
glad you asked.
one sec.
Rushing:
LSU 09- 84th 129.58 ypg
LSU 08- 43rd 166.77 ypg
LSU 07- 11th 214.14 ypg
And before anyone cries about people putting 8 in the box. . .they did that in all 3 of the above seasons.
No they didn't! I saw the games and know better. You pulled that out of your arse.
They did it this year because JJ was too confused to check into a better play and constantly missed open receivers as he did not know progressions.
I expect he will be much better next year.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 4:33 am to Roaad
I've been saying all along he had comparable or > stats than LSU legend QBs at similar stages of development.
You know the answer to that. It was 100% JJ's fault. 100% Miles' fault. 100% OL's fault. 100% Crowton's fault and I'm 100% sure Chavis had something to do with it also.
Just face it, 100% of every facet of LSU's game sucks. Even the waterboy.
If we could only get Saban back.
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What percentage of all the sacks would you say were 100% Jefferson's fault?
You know the answer to that. It was 100% JJ's fault. 100% Miles' fault. 100% OL's fault. 100% Crowton's fault and I'm 100% sure Chavis had something to do with it also.
Just face it, 100% of every facet of LSU's game sucks. Even the waterboy.
If we could only get Saban back.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 5:00 am to drizztiger
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The following QB's had worse Efficiency ratings than JJ
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Crowton and Stud meet all criteria for "shitty".
Crowton started in '07, right?
Watch this:
Offensive ranks
06 (Jimbo's last year): 11
06 Rushing: 31
06 Passing: 18
07 Total Offense: 26
07 Rushing: 11
07 Passing: 58
08 Total offense: 55
08 Rushing: 43
08 Passing: 71
09 Total Offense: 108
09 Rushing: 84
09 Passing: 99
Notice a trend anywhere? Like I said before, sometimes you have to blame the carpenter, not the tools.
Boom
Jimbo had J Russell at QB including Bowe,Davis,and Doucet as receivers. I think all were first round pics.
You were one of the Flute players who wanted Fisher gone were you not?
Posted on 12/15/09 at 5:09 am to Roaad
Man! where do u stat guys come from!! 
Posted on 12/15/09 at 5:55 am to Roaad
QB eff rating is flawed. Brees got a "perfect" rating afew weeks ago and had a few incomplete passes. That ain't perfect. Damn near it, but niot "perfect"
Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:07 am to Roaad
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Kind of tells you that our QB isn't the problem, huh?
No, it just tells you that the single statistic that you chose to list doesn't tell the entire story.
His rating should have been higher. If he were smart enough to make the proper reads then he could have made significantly more plays than he did.
And don't give me this shite that if we had an O-line blah blah blah....A majority of the sacks were Jefferson's fault. As an O-lineman you are taught to push the pass rusher past the QB, allowing the QB to step up into the pocket. How many times did you actually see JJ step up into the pocket? MOst of the time he stepped back, right into the D-lineman. Also, his delivery for anything over 10 to 15 yards looks like Roger Clemens or Nolan Ryan winding up to throw a fast ball....Way too slow of a motion for a QB, will get you sacked more often than not.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:12 am to Tiger Stadium 11
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B/c we can see Jefferson improving
I am starting to wonder if we are talking about the same Jefferson at QB. Most of us are talking about Jordan Jefferson the QB at LSU? Who are you talking about?
Because the Jefferson at LSU hasn't improved at anything, except finding new ways to avoid stepping into the pocket.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:24 am to Roaad
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I should blame JJ for being inexperienced?
REally? By the end of the season, he should no longer be considered inexperienced!
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then why has JJ done better than Flynn from a pure statistical standpoint
Because statistics don't tell the whole story.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:37 am to PRIDGENTIGER
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idiot. I've forgot more football than you'll ever know. You came on here spewing bullshite about our qb and got owned. C ya bitch
Okay, okay, okay......First of all, you haven't forgotten more football than anyone on this board.
Go ahead ask me how I know?
(Since that is one of your favorite questions. Acting like you "know" everything but no-one else can know anything).
It is because you aren't old enough for that statement to be true. A person old enough to use the statement "I have forgotten more than you'll ever know" and it be true, would not be using phrases like "got owned" or "C ya bitch".
BTW, your arguments have been pathetic. The entire basis for your arguments have been "if you give JJ an O-line..." or "If you give JJ a running game...." Get the picture? Your whole argument is based on "if",...I don't give a shite about "if"s. I care more about dids and didn'ts...and JJ didn't improve, he didn't come off his reads (watch the direction he looks during a pass play, it is obvious which receiver he is following from the snap), and he did hold the ball way too long.
Is JJ young? Yes! Can he improve and be a top notch QB? I hope so and think he can! Should he be benched? Not saying either way. I'll leave it up the real experts not Rantards!
Was he as great as you make him out to be? Not even close.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:43 am to PRIDGENTIGER
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ur stupid if you think a 6'4 guy with a strong arm and the ability to run won't get drafted.
No chance in hell that JJ gets drafted....NONE!
Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:46 am to Roaad
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Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:47 am to LSUTANGERINE
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QB eff rating is flawed. Brees got a "perfect" rating afew weeks ago and had a few incomplete passes. That ain't perfect. Damn near it, but niot "perfect"
Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:48 am to Chicot
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No chance in hell that JJ gets drafted....NONE!
Want to escrow money into an account and make a bet on that?
Give me your email information, and I'll give you the account information.
PS- Remember how bad JR looked his RSFR year?
This post was edited on 12/15/09 at 6:50 am
Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:50 am to Roaad
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we were obviously more talented than every team on our schedule with the exception of UF.
I love how some of you people think that just because we are LSU that we are automatically more talented than every other team. Are we really that much more talented thant the other teams? So Alabama hasn't had good recruiting years lately? Washington's QB isn't projected as the #1 rated QB in the draft if he decides to come out? Arkansas' QB isn't among the elite?
Time to take the purple and gold glasses off my friend. Yes we have a very talented team. But just because we are LSU doesn't mean we are more talented by default.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:52 am to Chicot
quote:By the end of the season he looked better than at the beginning. Denying that simple fact just makes you come across as sour grapes.
REally? By the end of the season, he should no longer be considered inexperienced!
quote:People usually say this when the stats put the lie to their point.
Because statistics don't tell the whole story.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 6:55 am to Chicot
quote:We are
I love how some of you people think that just because we are LSU that we are automatically more talented than every other team.
quote:Yes. Much.
Are we really that much more talented thant the other teams?
quote:Ours go back MUCH farther, brah.
So Alabama hasn't had good recruiting years lately?
quote:Because a team has one good player, they match up with our overall talent?
Washington's QB isn't projected as the #1 rated QB in the draft if he decides to come out? Arkansas' QB isn't among the elite?
Awesome.
quote:Check recruiting rankings over the past 6 years and tell me what they tell you. Only USC and UF can match up with us, talentwise.
But just because we are LSU doesn't mean we are more talented by default.
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