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re: The following QB's had worse Efficiency ratings than JJ
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:24 am to TigerFan55555
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:24 am to TigerFan55555
quote:
So, A common QB can play at LSU? didnt know we were recruiting mediocracy...
I believe Sam Bradford lit shite up at OK as a Red Shirt... And yes you did say ALL!!!
that's what you fail to understand only all-time greats(Tebow,Bradford) can do those things at Jefferson's age,level. Jefferson is slighty above average for his grade, age and you would be going against your agenda to admit that
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Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:49 am to Sammobile
also sam bradfors didn't do shite when he finally faced a sec defense. All those records he set was against shite defenses. Tiger5555 if you can't tell that jj improved on the long ball and the clock in his head improved then you just dont want too
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:09 am to Roaad
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You gotta bring it harder than that, son.
No actually I'll have to type slower for you to understand.
Tulane benched their starting QB and went with a RSFr for the last 6 games. JJ started 11 games. So if Tulane's QB threw 9 TDs in 6 starts he had a 1.5 TD avg, JJ = 1.45. I've already told you his passing avg over 6 starts was 190+ yds compared to JJ's 170+. And did I forget to mention that he was a RSFr who played without award winning O Lineman, and 1st rd. draft picks at the skill positions?
PS: If Tulane QB's stats don't work for you, let me know, and I'll throw out ULL's QB, who also played without award winning linemen and 1st rd skill players. JJ's not even the 2nd best QB in-state.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:10 am to MightyYat
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2) CUSA? Really? We're going to compare QBs from the worst offense in the SEC and fricking CUSA?
You might want to carefully study that
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:25 am to TIsuGGER
ok i'm done. Some of you just don't wanna see that jj is a good qb with virtually no help from the playcalling or the run game.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:25 am to TIsuGGER
quote:Awesome.
Tulane benched their starting QB and went with a RSFr for the last 6 games. JJ started 11 games. So if Tulane's QB threw 9 TDs in 6 starts he had a 1.5 TD avg, JJ = 1.45. I've already told you his passing avg over 6 starts was 190+ yds compared to JJ's 170+.
So after I completely dismantle your argument brick by brick, this is what you come back with? Keep in mind that Griffin played in 9 games, son.
JJ played in 11.
Also what kind of defenses wwas Griffin throwing against, vs. JJ.
quote:Hmmmm. . .kind of like JR in 2005 and Flynn in 2007?
And did I forget to mention that he was a RSFr who played without award winning O Lineman, and 1st rd. draft picks at the skill positions?
And JJ did better than both.
quote:
No actually I'll have to type slower for you to understand.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:27 am to TigerFan55555
quote:I would think a Psychologic Engineer (NASA) would have noticed that I completely eviscerated his argument. . .twice.
Thats gotta be the biggest fricking BOOM! on the rant...
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:28 am to TigerFan55555
quote:
yes, please answer...
I did already, Mr. Psychologic Engineer (NASA). But since I am of the helpful sort. . .
LINK
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 11:34 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:30 am to TigerFan55555
quote:What a compliment to JJ that you can only come up with a Heisman winner to compare to him in this regard.
quote:
What did you see that wasn't common in ALL young QBs? Please be specific
So, A common QB can play at LSU? didnt know we were recruiting mediocracy...
I believe Sam Bradford lit shite up at OK as a Red Shirt... And yes you did say ALL!!!
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:43 am to TigerFan55555
And here is the question he is terrified of:
I'll answer the question for him with hard numbers, since he is too frightened:
2006 (Jimbo & Searles' last year)
Total Offense: 11
Passing: 18
Rushing: 31
Sacks allowed: 24 (19)
2007
Total Offense: 26
Passing: 58
Rushing: 11
Sacks allowed: 66 (30)
2008
Total Offense: 55
Passing: 71
Rushing: 43
Sacks allowed: 45 (22)
2009
Total Offense: 108
Passing: 99
Rushing: 84
Sacks allowed: 107 (35)
quote:
Now answer a question for me, which you won't. Has our OL play improved any year since Stud arrived?
I'll answer the question for him with hard numbers, since he is too frightened:
2006 (Jimbo & Searles' last year)
Total Offense: 11
Passing: 18
Rushing: 31
Sacks allowed: 24 (19)
2007
Total Offense: 26
Passing: 58
Rushing: 11
Sacks allowed: 66 (30)
2008
Total Offense: 55
Passing: 71
Rushing: 43
Sacks allowed: 45 (22)
2009
Total Offense: 108
Passing: 99
Rushing: 84
Sacks allowed: 107 (35)
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 11:45 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:46 am to Roaad
quote:
And JJ did better than both.
You really need to stop. Flynn played with a high ankle sprain and busted shoulder for much of the year, as well as his 1st rd WR out for half the season.
You're losing cred on here fast, with each post. And since you ignored it; JJ vs ULL's QB (who is also a soph). Again using the NCAA stat site, look who is ranked 35th, and look who is ranked 67th. According to the NCAA, JJ is the 3rd best QB in the state.
LINK
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:52 am to TIsuGGER
quote:What are you using? Just yards?
Again using the NCAA stat site, look who is ranked 35th, and look who is ranked 67th. According to the NCAA, JJ is the 3rd best QB in the state.
Why not TD's? Or even better, how about Pass Efficiency?
Look who is 38, and who's EIGHTY-frickING-NINE!
LINK
quote:And he also had ten times the OL that Jefferson has to settle for. . .
You really need to stop. Flynn played with a high ankle sprain and busted shoulder for much of the year, as well as his 1st rd WR out for half the season.
quote:As long as each one is pwning you, I'll take it.
You're losing cred on here fast, with each post.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:52 am to Roaad
quote:
How many of the 22 last year were Lee's fault?
What about the 30 sacks taken in 2007? All Flynn's fault?
First of all, it would be useless to compare the performance of the O-line this year to any previous year as the personnel changes and the schemes (both ours and that of our opponents) change.
But in answer to your question, I have no idea what the numbers would be because I don't remember quite frankly. I remember 2009 because it "just" happened. But if we are having this same conversation at the same time next year, I probably wouldn't be able to give you a number for Jefferson either. I tend to move on after a season is over and chose not to think about "what ifs". But to venture a guess, I would say that in the seasons that you referenced, as to whom was at fault for the sacks....I would say that it was still close to a split between the lines fault and the QBs fault. What's your point?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:55 am to Chicot
quote:So you are saying that any sacks that may have been JJ's fault, are comparable to pretty much any first year starter?
But in answer to your question, I have no idea what the numbers would be because I don't remember quite frankly. I remember 2009 because it "just" happened. But if we are having this same conversation at the same time next year, I probably wouldn't be able to give you a number for Jefferson either. I tend to move on after a season is over and chose not to think about "what ifs". But to venture a guess, I would say that in the seasons that you referenced, as to whom was at fault for the sacks....I would say that it was still close to a split between the lines fault and the QBs fault. What's your point?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:59 am to Roaad
quote:
And he also had ten times the OL that Jefferson has to settle for. . .
This keeps sounding like like the same old excuses that were given for Russell (but, look at his personal stats). And we see how that turned has out. With him behind center, offense is lackluster (the Raiders have brought in yet another QB). Quit making excuses for JJ. With him at QB, our offense sucks. There is no denying that. LSU needs a new leader, plain and simple. But you're too simple to even get that.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:03 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:What do you base this on? I annihilated you on a numbers base. Are you going to start using unquantifiable aspects like Leadership, Football Smarts, etc?
This keeps sounding like like the same old excuses that were given for Russell (but, look at his personal stats). And we see how that turned has out. With him behind center, offense is lackluster (the Raiders have brought in yet another QB). Quit making excuses for JJ. With him at QB, our offense sucks. There is no denying that. LSU needs a new leader, plain and simple. But you're too simple to even get that.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:13 pm to Roaad
quote:
And he also had ten times the OL that Jefferson has to settle for. . .
2nd tier offensive line vs. 2nd tier competition... (ULL & Tulane)
top notch o-line- recruits vs. same caliber d-line (SEC)
your o-line argument is invalid...
because I know your not trying to say that ULL's or tulanes o-line is better than ours...
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:14 pm to MightyYat
quote:
So, JJ had nothing to do with our wins now?
Wow! How do you go from he didn't lead LSU to a better record to he had nothing to do with our wins. If you would have read the rest of my post that he quoted, I said JJ had a better year than JL. Not taking that away from him. Butour defense is the main reason that we won more games!
How many points per game did they give up in 2009 vs 2008 (including only points allowed by defense not pick 6s)?
I don't have the time to look it up and pull out the pick 6 scores, but I guarantee you it will be a lot less in 2009 than in 2008. At LSU we don't need a great QB, as long as we have good defense. JJ is servicable at QB. He definitely didn't lose any games for us. But I don't think he won any for us either. Defense made the deference in our better record this year!
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:16 pm to Roaad
quote:
So you are saying that any sacks that may have been JJ's fault, are comparable to pretty much any first year starter?
ABsolutely. Never said otherwise. Didn't say he can't lead us to a conf. championship. Again, only a Soph. Too early to say what he will be. His mistakes are definitely correctable. Just said that he shouldn't be considered a great QB based on his play so far.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:16 pm to TigerFan55555
quote:Boy, your reading comprehension is awful for a Psychologic Engineer (NASA) who also played professional baseball in Japan (:snicker:).
2nd tier offensive line vs. 2nd tier competition... (ULL & Tulane)
top notch o-line- recruits vs. same caliber d-line (SEC)
your o-line argument is invalid...
because I know your not trying to say that ULL's or tulanes o-line is better than ours...
Re-read it, and get back to me Psychologic Engineer (NASA) who also played professional baseball in Japan (:snicker:).
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