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re: The difference between JL and JJ.

Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:45 am to
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:45 am to
I was sitting in the SEZ, where that play occurred. Randle was double covered. But it wasn't a single receiver route, was it? If not, JJ never even looked to his secondary read.
Posted by Uncommon Cents
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2008
14381 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:46 am to
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inebr8ted tiger


You really don't understand football do you Such a pity.
The QB "reads" the coverage. If he sees that the WR is covered, he throws the fu cking ball away. Which is exactly what JJ did. You don't just blindly throw to a "spot" without reading the coverage you dolt.
Posted by boudreauxInSC
Carolina
Member since Aug 2011
100 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:46 am to
Lee=pocket passer
JJ=option QB
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
18391 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:47 am to
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I keep waiting for Don Quixote to ride by with a lance.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5359 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:47 am to
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But it wasn't a single receiver route, was it? If not, JJ never even looked to his secondary read.


It was...I have watched the play about 15 times. I was trying to show my brother why he threw the ball away. As soon as he saw the double coverage he threw the ball away.

It was max protect and a one man route.
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:49 am to
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It was max protect and a one man route.


I see. In that case, JJ did the proper thing. Strange call.
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
18083 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:49 am to
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Also, on the play you are referring to, I believe it was a one route play and they may have had Randle slightly double covered. Maybe that was the best thing for JJ to do was throw it away instead of trying to stick it in there. Again, that may be a different play im referring to.


What I was really curious about was.. we were on the 5 yard line.. there was almost zero pressure on him, and his primary WR was covered.

I thought he was a dual-threat.. why didn't he try to run it in?
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
15381 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:52 am to
I wonder if it's also the reason JJ beat out JL 3 straight years...I'm so tired of all these "this is why one qb is better than the other". Pretty sure the coaches are around the players a little longer to evaluate them
Posted by LSU NO Tigah
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2005
5622 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:52 am to
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Early in the third quarter, LSU's second possession, JJ came in the game and drove LSU down the field inside the 5 yard line. Faced with a 3rd and goal, a fade to RR was called to the left side of the end zone as there was single coverage.


Actually am glad that someone else was thinking the same thing. The only thing I wonder about is him throwing the ball away versus was that an attempt to throw a fade? If so, it was pretty bad and shows that he can't throw that pass. I would actually feel better about his abilities if he did throw it away. J Lee made that pass perfectly twice in a row last year against Florida with Toliver. He threw it the first time and Toliver got mugged by the DB but it wasn't called. He lined back up, threw it perfectly again for the game winning touchdown!

No doubt JJ has skills that J Lee doesn't possess but I just don't think he adds a real passing threat inside the red zone. Yes, I know he made the jump pass but if the game is on the line, I'd feel a lot more comfortable with J Lee in there.
Posted by horndog
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Member since Apr 2007
11654 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:52 am to
I remember that play. It was there for a second and JJ knew it, but he was too scared to throw a pick, b/c he knew he wouldnt see the field for the rest of the game.

If he knew he wouldnt have gotten benched for a pick, he would have thrown it. I dont know who would have caught it, but he would have thrown it.
Posted by Uncommon Cents
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2008
14381 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:52 am to
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I see. In that case, JJ did the proper thing. Strange call.

Imagine that. JJ did the right thing and the knuckle draggers on this board didn't realize it.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5359 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:55 am to
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I thought he was a dual-threat.. why didn't he try to run it in?


My best guess...the coaches told him, "if he is not open....just throw it away."

Another guess on the play call would be Florida would be caught off guard with a pass play. The showed a formation that they run from a lot and they took a shot.

It was a smart play by JJ. Both QB's played well.

The pass on 2nd and 19 to Peterson was a great throw by JJ as well.

I look at it this way...JJ vs JL reminds me of MMA fans vs Boxing Fans. It doesn't have to be one vs. the other. You can be a fan of boxing and MMA. Two different sports and two different QB's. As long as they both throw over 70% completion and 15 yards per attempt...I am fans of both
Posted by LSU NO Tigah
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2005
5622 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:55 am to
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You really don't understand football do you Such a pity.
The QB "reads" the coverage. If he sees that the WR is covered, he throws the fu cking ball away. Which is exactly what JJ did. You don't just blindly throw to a "spot" without reading the coverage you dolt.


Is that why Lee was able to make the same pass with perfect accuracy last year while Toliver was getting mugged by the Florida DB on the first play and then covered again on the 2nd attempt which Toliver caught for the winning TD?
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32741 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:57 am to
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JJ typically waits until the WR is wide open before he throws, except on deep balls which he throws well, where as J. Lee can and will throw the receiver open.

While true, JJ brings a run dimension to the game that JL just does not and will not ever have. This is what Les Miles sees. For people to pretend it is not there is just ignoring the facts. JJ has run us out of MANY 3rd and longs with his legs and kept the drive alive. He has also held the ball too long and took sacks. JL has made MANY good passes with timing and touch, but he has also made many bad throws as well. Neither QB is a complete package.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38516 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:57 am to
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I was sitting right there. RR blanketed. It was a smart decision to throw it away.


Absolutely...which is why I don't know why people were booing...maybe they were booing the play call?
Posted by jrich11
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2010
993 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:58 am to
jl is being coached by SK, jj is still being coached by GC.

duh.
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
78748 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:59 am to
Bad playcall for JJ. Plain and simple.
Posted by amiznit
Missouri City
Member since Apr 2005
1852 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 12:00 pm to
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maybe they were booing the play call?

Hopefully, but more than likely they were booing something they don't understand (or don't want to).
Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
7799 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 12:02 pm to
Man u really are under the influence, RR was double covered and it was a one man route.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 12:04 pm
Posted by Vol Fan in the Bayou
Member since Nov 2009
4158 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 12:02 pm to
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maybe they were booing the play call?


OR, they are just idiots that are looking for a reason to get on JJ.
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