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Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:51 am to Crbello4Hiceman
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FWIW bama has a Confederate monument on their campus and it doesn't seem to hurt the little man's recruiting....except maybe his kicking game recruiting.
How long has it been there, we are talking about something new and it would draw much controversy.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:51 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Don't call me ignorant, you little shite arse, before you get your own feces consolidated.
So you call people an idiot then get your feelings hurt when they call you ignorant.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:55 am to BabyTac
great idea!
Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:55 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Isn't that the topic being discussed the first Tigers?
Didn't the OP state: "How cool would it be to have a statue of the original battalion that the Tigers derived thier name from" ?
Why don't you just quit showing off that you read Jones' Lee's Tigers, other people have read it too.
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And no, not ALL Louisiana units were referred to as Tigers, certainly not the 7th Louisiana Cavalry. And again NO, the mostly Acadians that made up the 7th were NOT as "American as their foes".
Don't call me ignorant, you little shite arse, before you get your own feces consolidated.
When all else fails,start the ad hominem attacks.
Read again, All La units in the ANV were referred to as Tigers. As far as the original Battallion, there were not all from NOLA either, ex. the Company from Catahoula Parish.
Know Terry Jones, but do not have to rely on his work.
And , yes there were all Americans. You can argue that with the United States Congress. US Code 38 grants all Confederate Veterans equal status as any other American Veteran and entitled them to the same benifits i.e. VA provided gravestones etc.
This post was edited on 11/30/11 at 10:06 am
Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:56 am to CITWTT
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Well another thing that should be added as near to the quad as possible is Wiliam T Sherman hall.
and make all the georgia fans walk by it before we play them. like, lsu is honoring the guy that burned atlanta; up yours.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:57 am to Crbello4Hiceman
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So how do you feel about Col. David F. Boyd? As a member of LSU administration, he forfeited his own pension to help the University avoid bankruptcy in the post-war haze in an attempt to keep the school in existence so trash like you could be around to bad mouth him one day. Was he a thug?
Tell me, you advocate William T. Sherman, how do you feel about total war?
Boyd and Sherman maintained their friendship after the war...keep in mind when the Army left Baton Rouge in the 1870's the original Pentagon Barracks (over by the State Capitol) were given to LSU...take a look who was the Commanding General of the US Army then....Sherman maintained an interest in LSU until he died and gave books out of his personal library and other personal stuff to the University....which is a lot more than a lot of the Confederates who have stuff named after them on the LSU campus....
Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:59 am to vl100butch
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vl100butch
Butch what part of the USA were you raised in, not a flame a serious question?
Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:59 am to Mulat
Good point. It just frustrates me sometimes that SG/ LSU administration takes controversial stances toward the left (pro gay etc, pro-affirmative action etc) but the right can't do anything simply to honor the folks who established the school and kept it going during tough times.
Without those generations, we wouldn't have the school today. For the most point, they just get slandered and criticized while they get no recognition for the good things they did...
Without those generations, we wouldn't have the school today. For the most point, they just get slandered and criticized while they get no recognition for the good things they did...
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:03 am to Crbello4Hiceman
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Without those generations, we wouldn't have the school today. For the most point, they just get slandered and criticized while they get no recognition for the good things they did..
Slavery was such an awful thing that it is like trying to clean up Sadusky and saying look at all the good things he did, not possible it appears.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:05 am to Crbello4Hiceman
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Funny, in other situations people use this term and are called out for it being a code word. As a liberal, I guess you can get away with it.
frick you, read some history.
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Tell me, you advocate William T. Sherman, how do you feel about total war? Would you advocate our military burning everything civilians own overseas today when we are fighting in a region?
Do you want to know how I feel about war?
This: "I’ve been where you are now and I know just how you feel. It’s entirely natural that there should beat in the breast of every one of you a hope and desire that some day you can use the skill you have acquired here.
Suppress it! You don’t know the horrible aspects of war. I’ve been through two wars and I know. I’ve seen cities and homes in ashes. I’ve seen thousands of men lying on the ground, their dead faces looking up at the skies. I tell you, war is Hell!"
"I am sick and tired of war. Its glory is all moonshine.
It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard
the shrieks and groans of the wounded
who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
So how do you feel about Col. David F. Boyd?
I would have told him the same thing his very dear friend, W. T. Sherman told him:
"You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it… Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail."
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Would you advocate our military burning everything civilians own overseas today when we are fighting in a region?
Sherman was right, here is an excerpt from his letter to Atlanta:
"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war. The United States does and must assert its authority, wherever it once had power; for, if it relaxes one bit to pressure, it is gone, and I believe that such is the national feeling.
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You have heretofore read public sentiment in your newspapers, that live by falsehood and excitement; and the quicker you seek for truth in other quarters, the better. I repeat then that, by the original compact of government, the United States had certain rights in Georgia, which have never been relinquished and never will be; that the South began the war by seizing forts, arsenals, mints, custom-houses, etc., etc., long before Mr. Lincoln was installed, and before the South had one jot or title of provocation. I myself have seen in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi, hundreds and thousands of women and children fleeing from your armies and desperadoes, hungry and with bleeding feet. In Memphis, Vicksburg, and Mississippi, we fed thousands and thousands of the families of rebel soldiers left on our hands, and whom we could not see starve. Now that war comes to you, you feel very different. You deprecate its horrors, but did not feel them when you sent car-loads of soldiers and ammunition, and moulded shells and shot, to carry war into Kentucky and Tennessee, to desolate the homes of hundreds and thousands of good people who only asked to live in peace at their old homes, and under the Government of their inheritance. But these comparisons are idle. I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect an early success."
War is indeed hell, and there's no way to make it pleasent. If you go to war, you must destroy the enemies will to carry it on - there is no other way. THAT is why we should NEVER go to war unless the very existence iof our country is at stake.
So now, why don't you tell me what you think about the XXI Bomber Command? You think they were WRONG?
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:05 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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LSU would be the new Black Bears.
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We do NOT want to be Ole Miss.
Ole Miss is still the Rebels. Everyone stop thinking we would have their situation. The only thing they changed was the on field mascot. Ours is a tiger, not a Confederate general.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:06 am to BabyTac
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that most people probably think is just another Tiger mascot
And "most" people would be right. That is precisely what the University and we fans have turned it into. We built a freakin' TIGER cage on wheels to show case our TIGER. Logos ...all TIGERS. No sir, no matter the history behind our beloved mascot, no matter how many statues erected to long dead Confederate boys, to most folk, friend and foe alike, Mike will always be "just another Tiger mascot".
This post was edited on 11/30/11 at 10:07 am
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:08 am to Mulat
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Slavery was such an awful thing that it is like trying to clean up Sadusky and saying look at all the good things he did, not possible it appears.
Yet we have no problem celebrating a nation that slaughtered native americans. Why can't we honor the people that fought bravely and accomplished more good than bad because one way or another we all have blood on our hands.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:11 am to Mulat
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Butch what part of the USA were you raised in, not a flame a serious question?
I am 7th generation (at minimum) Louisiana on my mother's side, 4th or 5th if not farther back on my father's...grew up on the West Bank and enlisted in the Army at 18...came back to LSU at 20 to finish college and went back into the Army as an officer after that....
my great-great grandfather was in Company A, 30th Louisiana Infantry and was taken prisoner by Sherman's army outside of Atlanta in 1864....
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:13 am to vl100butch
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Butch what part of the USA were you raised in, not a flame a serious question?
I am 7th generation (at minimum) Louisiana on my mother's side, 4th or 5th if not farther back on my father's...grew up on the West Bank and enlisted in the Army at 18...came back to LSU at 20 to finish college and went back into the Army as an officer after that....
my great-great grandfather was in Company A, 30th Louisiana Infantry and was taken prisoner by Sherman's army outside of Atlanta in 1864....
Thank you, similar background no ancestors at Atlanta but others who fought in the CSA. I was just curious since as long as I can remember, childhood, saying Sherman's name was the same as a serious cuss word.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:16 am to Mulat
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saying Sherman's name was the same as a serious cuss word.
frick Georgia and frick Atlanta, we're gonna burn that mutha to the ground this weekend and make Georgia howl!
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:21 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Just say this instead,"Sherman justified burning the south to the ground because he felt victory at all cost is justifiable. Oh- and he said war sucks so it is ok, he empathised with those he wiped out."
Then add "He told Boyd you can't win so you shouldn't fight."
A real winner with a life to live.
Then add "He told Boyd you can't win so you shouldn't fight."
A real winner with a life to live.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:23 am to Mulat
Then tear down the statues of Washington. We should probably rename the cities named after him too. Oh- also we should shame every civilization of all time up until the 1700's, as almost all had slavery in some form or another.
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:24 am to Mulat
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Thank you, similar background no ancestors at Atlanta but others who fought in the CSA. I was just curious since as long as I can remember, childhood, saying Sherman's name was the same as a serious cuss word.
not in the house I grew up in...I would say the name of Lee was more despised because of Pickett's Charge...I could remember going to see "The Buccaneer" with my parents at the old Do Drive In and one of the lessons I learned early was you don't charge a dug in enemy over open ground....
my upbringing was probably a bit unusual because of other factors, such as my aunt (and godmother) married into a family that Monsignor Wynhoven brought over from Holland to teach at Hope Haven, my uncle's grandfather was shot by the Germans during their occupation of the Netherlands....
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