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re: Spread Offense

Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:37 am to
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:37 am to
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I think he means its cheap in the sense that a spread option requires essentially a WR to play QB


What is cheap about this?
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:37 am to
I just wish coaches would start using 3 or 4 WR sets on short yardage as well.

There is almost no way to defend against a 3yd pass route unless you go all or nothing trying to jump a route.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:38 am to
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It's pretty much the reason we won a national title last year.


In the BCS game, we didn't run that much spread. Just because the QB is in shotgun, doesn't mean it's the spread.

The "spread" is a stlye of formation. The "spread option" is a stlye of play run from the spread formation.

You could run a spread formation with a QB that doesn't run at all. The threat of a running QB isn't what makes the spread so effective. It's forcing the defense to commit players accross the field, which in turn opens up running and passing lanes.

In the spread option, well, yeah, you need a running QB for that.

To the original posters claim....college coaches will abuse their players for wins. Unlike franchised pro players, college players will typically only start a year or two. So the coaches in college have no problem with getting the most out of them in a short period, regardless of the injury risk. IE Urban Meyer.
Posted by Cajun Tigah
Tennessee Mountains
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:38 am to
Don't think that was the point. Think Defense.
Posted by munchman
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
10367 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:55 am to
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You could run a spread formation with a QB that doesn't run at all. The threat of a running QB isn't what makes the spread so effective. It's


It may not make the spread "so effective", but spreading the field opens up running lanes and introduces the oportunity for the QB to run more often than in say a pro-style offense.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:57 am to
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It may not make the spread "so effective", but spreading the field opens up running lanes and introduces the oportunity for the QB to run more often than in say a pro-style offense.


I would guess TTU a team that runs the spread has their QB run less than LSU runs ours.

True spread teams rely on the pass. You are thinking of spread option teams which is a different animal entirely.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 10:58 am to
I would define it as "cheap" because it is basically an offense that requires gadgetry and misdirection to fool the defense. It's basically human playstation with the OC manning the joystick. The problem is, when the defense isn't fooled the offense is toast because the ball carrier is in space with no help around. Offenses like this have little, or no, ability to do what LSU did last year, for example, in 4th quarter drives where they just lined up and pounded the ball down the field. They didn't have to trick the defense, just line up and beat them.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:00 am to
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I would define it as "cheap" because it is basically an offense that requires gadgetry and misdirection to fool the defense.


So play action passes are cheap? They are primarily based on misdirection.
Posted by munchman
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
10367 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:02 am to
quote:

I would define it as "cheap" because it is basically an offense that requires gadgetry and misdirection to fool the defense. It's basically human playstation with the OC manning the joystick. The problem is, when the defense isn't fooled the offense is toast because the ball carrier is in space with no help around. Offenses like this have little, or no, ability to do what LSU did last year, for example, in 4th quarter drives where they just lined up and pounded the ball down the field. They didn't have to trick the defense, just line up and beat them.


Couldn't agree more fore.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:03 am to
What about the Triple Option is that cheap?
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70517 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:03 am to
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Offenses like this have little, or no, ability to do what LSU did last year, for example, in 4th quarter drives where they just lined up and pounded the ball down the field. They didn't have to trick the defense, just line up and beat them.


Signed,

Colt David
Posted by Tiger In Dawg Country
Atlanta, Georgia
Member since Sep 2008
1259 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:16 am to
I believe the spread will eventually die as defenses adjust. What is the one constant in the NFL amongst superbowl winning teams- pocket qb, TE, FB, RB (ie max protection). They project Matthew Stafford as a high 1st rounder while projecting Tim Tebow as a 5-6 rounder. The time proven ingredients for winning is running the ball and stopping the run!
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:17 am to
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So play action passes are cheap? They are primarily based on misdirection.


I wouldn't call playaction misdirection...although some certainly use misdirection. Don't get me wrong, every offense needs an element of surprise to fool the defense, but if you're entire offense is built around that, and you don't fool them enough, you're in for a long day. This was a knock on Crowton before he got to LSU, that if plays weren't working, he'd try to get more creative with higher risk/reward plays.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:20 am to
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I wouldn't call playaction misdirection


You fake running the ball tricking the LBs and DBs into coming up and playing the run. This gives your QB time to throw and maybe leaves one of you WRs open. How is that not misdirection?

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but if you're entire offense is built around that, and you don't fool them enough, you're in for a long day.


If your offense is built aorund stuffing the ball down your opponent's throats and you don't do that then you are in for a long day.

quote:

if plays weren't working, he'd try to get more creative with higher risk/reward plays.


You've got to do something.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 11:27 am to
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How is that not misdirection?


because the idea is to freeze them, not to get them to run in the wrong direction...

quote:

If your offense is built aorund stuffing the ball down your opponent's throats and you don't do that then you are in for a long day.


really? I hadn't thought of that...

Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23043 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 12:11 pm to
The offense philosophy of using the whole field will never die out.

You can call it whatever you want, but spreading the defense is here to stay.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 3:13 pm to
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because the idea is to freeze them, not to get them to run in the wrong direction...


You are getting them to respond to a ball movement that isn't there. Do you seriously think the hope is that they freeze? The hope is that all 4 DBs charge headlong to the ball carrier. The intent is to misdirect the LBs and DBs.

quote:


really? I hadn't thought of that...



So what you are saying is that your original point was retarded. Glad we agree.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 10/22/08 at 3:58 pm to
Certainly, play action is a form of misdirection.

No legal play is "cheap." If it's in the rules, then it's fair game and anybody that takes advantage of anything other than the "norm" is actually creative and even groundbreaking.

I'm sure some narrowminded fan once thought the forward pass was "cheap".

It's a coach's job and responsibility to do whatever possible under the rules to win games. And if that means coaching your field goal place holder to toss the ball behind his head to a speedy little FG kicker against South Carolina, then so be it. It's great coaching.
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