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Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:19 am to MontanaTiger
quote:This is so full of ignorant asswipe...please do go on.
Liberal guilt...projecting misery...thinking the government can fix everything...believing there can be utopia in this world...expecting someone else to fix it or pay for it...believing that success always comes at the expense of others...expecting the worse...unquestioningly buying into the latest media-hyped crisis...I could go on and on.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:23 am to athletemed
This is from a post I made the other day....
There was an article in today's SF Chronicle talking about how professors are getting pissed about money spent on athletics. I know that LSU Sports are in the BLACK, but by how much? How much money per year does LSU Athletics give to the university??
LINK
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Deficits common
Only 24 of the 120 top teams operate in the black, with deficits averaging $10 million per school, he said.
Those deficits are typically made up by loans or gifts of university funds.
This year, UC Berkeley's Department of Intercollegiate Athletics - whose football team is in the Bowl Subdivision - is projected to run a deficit of nearly $6 million, rising to $6.4 million next year.
To make ends meet, Chancellor Robert Birgeneau expects to lend the athletes more than $12 million by the end of next year from a $165 million discretionary fund of interest income, gifts and undesignated bequests, said Cal spokesman Dan Mogulof.
The athletics department itself has a budget of nearly $65 million, which it uses for everything from heating the swim team's pool to paying football coach Jeff Tedford's salary - $2.3 million last year.
No tax money goes into that budget. Mogulof said it's funded from a combination of revenue from the men's football and basketball teams, gifts, student registration fees and the chancellor's funds.
There was an article in today's SF Chronicle talking about how professors are getting pissed about money spent on athletics. I know that LSU Sports are in the BLACK, but by how much? How much money per year does LSU Athletics give to the university??
LINK
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Deficits common
Only 24 of the 120 top teams operate in the black, with deficits averaging $10 million per school, he said.
Those deficits are typically made up by loans or gifts of university funds.
This year, UC Berkeley's Department of Intercollegiate Athletics - whose football team is in the Bowl Subdivision - is projected to run a deficit of nearly $6 million, rising to $6.4 million next year.
To make ends meet, Chancellor Robert Birgeneau expects to lend the athletes more than $12 million by the end of next year from a $165 million discretionary fund of interest income, gifts and undesignated bequests, said Cal spokesman Dan Mogulof.
The athletics department itself has a budget of nearly $65 million, which it uses for everything from heating the swim team's pool to paying football coach Jeff Tedford's salary - $2.3 million last year.
No tax money goes into that budget. Mogulof said it's funded from a combination of revenue from the men's football and basketball teams, gifts, student registration fees and the chancellor's funds.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:27 am to tigerfoot
quote:
Yet there has been vast expansion at other University cities that have mediocre or horrible football programs. What is your explanation?
To extend the above:
The research triangle in North Carolina as well as the Research Universities (Harvard, MIT) in the Northeast are significant economic engines (with questionable football programs). I wonder if we were to invest in education and research to the extent we do football, if the impact on the economy, health and quality of life would be even greater. There are many people in BTR pushing for investment of that sort at LSU, yet most of the money is being invested in athletics (primarily football).
The point is not that the athletic department is self sufficient, its that all of those dollars invested in athletics by the private sector could just as easily be invested in a chemistry, or biology or biotech departments. There are limited dollars both in terms of public (government) and in terms of private (donors) that all these interests are competing for. The question is where is the most best spent in the long run.
Considering this is an LSU football board, I would expect that the majority of people here want it spent on athletics.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:32 am to PunchDrunk
quote:Good to see there are still a few people around at least thinking about the future and progress for the university and state. Somehow the word "progress" = "liberal" which has been trashed into a derogatory term by "conservative" media only to be ran up the flagpole by sheep who don't bother to think it through that "conservative" media is ALSO part of the MSM...just the part that they tend to agree with.
PunchDrunk
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:34 am to PunchDrunk
quote:I would be curious to know if the majority of the people on this board completed a degree program, and how many of those did it at LSU.
I would expect that the majority of people here want it spent on athletics.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:38 am to athletemed
quote:
That struck me as to wonder how much of a disconnect professors who teach at LSU have with the students they serve and the community as a whole.
I dont see your problem here. He is a professor. He is not a coach. He doesnt have to like football. It's his right not to like football and it shouldnt matter to you, as long as he is a competent teacher.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:41 am to tigerfoot
quote:Link?
Of course BTR metro also has the second fastest declining population in the country. And has a decline in BTR city population since the glory of LSU football resurfaced, from 2000 to 2007 showing an actual decline even with the Katrina influx. Also, the number one employer within BTR is government.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:43 am to TigerWoody
quote:
I would be curious to know if the majority of the people on this board completed a degree program, and how many of those did it at LSU.
I did. I have of B.A. at LSU and got a post-grad degree from Tulane.
And I have no problem whatsoever on the amount of money being spent on football/being derived from football.
I think the professor is entitled to his opinion, however. However, I do not believe that the problems at LSU, Baton Rouge or Louisiana have much to do with LSU football, which is a net dollar contributor to the university.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:49 am to SOL
quote:
TOPS should also get killed. It is a waste of funds and does not have much to do with attracting top students. UT and TAM do not have
anything like TOPS and they are turning great students away by the thousands. Good students want quality - not cheap and low grade.
You are out of your damn mind. TOPS saved me thousands of dollars and I am thankful for it. It makes it easier for people to go to school as long as they keep the grades.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:50 am to Mike Linebacker
quote:I agree with most of what you said. I don't get the bash the professor bullshite. Profs are employees of the Univ paid to educate, not support the football team or any other sport. We (LSU) are fortunate to be one of the rare football programs that can give back to the University. I DO believe that LSU can and does have an impact on the future of Louisiana through the research and education it provides. The football team and all athletics can be ambassadors for that effort. Some profs are blind to this unfortunately and believe that academics and research should stand for themselves. To that I say good luck achieving that utopia in Louisiana and most states outside the elite academic universities around the country.
Mike Linebacker
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:51 am to Mike Linebacker
quote:
And I have no problem whatsoever on the amount of money being spent on football/being derived from football.
I think the professor is entitled to his opinion, however. However, I do not believe that the problems at LSU, Baton Rouge or Louisiana have much to do with LSU football, which is a net dollar contributor to the university.
+1
It's all a matter of opinion.
And I'm not even sure why everyone assumes this guy is liberal. LSU has many profs who arent liberal, esp in business and engineering. And LSU also has many foreign profs who simply will never care about football.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:54 am to biglego
quote:THIS...and even if he is who really gives a flip about it? The far right/left bashing BS is ridiculously out of control and causes more problems...as if we don't have enough.
And I'm not even sure why everyone assumes this guy is liberal. LSU has many profs who arent liberal, esp in business and engineering.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:54 am to TigerWoody
quote:
Some profs are blind to this unfortunately and believe that academics and research should stand for themselves. To that I say good luck achieving that utopia in Louisiana and most states outside the elite academic universities around the country.
I think that is what this professor in the original poster's comment was guilty of. Of course, I was not in the original conversation and can't say that maybe his point wasn't misinterpreted.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:55 am to Minnesota Tiger
quote:
As much as I love LSU football, and as much as I am glad to have a degree from there, it has at best an average academic reputation.
+1
But in keeping with the southern inferiority complex, many here are very satisfied with this situation.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 11:57 am to athletemed
quote:
He said, people should spend their time worrying about and trying to fix bigger problems.
Im going to spend my time having fun when I am not in school. I support LSU because I choose and so do the other people that give them money (TAF). If the prof doesn't want to spend his money to support the athletics...then don't.
This argument can be ended by the simple statement.
LSU athletics is self sufficient. End of story. Besisdes providing the athletes and place to play.
The athlettic department also gives money to the University itself. So prof you better thank the fans.
If you don't like the way it is done here...GTFO
Posted on 10/30/09 at 12:02 pm to athletemed
I enjoy college football just as much as anyone else. We all need an outlet from our everyday lives, and following LSU football is rewarding in itself.
Having said that, I can understand his philosophical view. What is the main reason why individuals go to college? To get the best education or to spend 4 years partying and just getting by academically, without any idea where they are going in life? Most people fall somewhere in between.
I say work hard, study hard, and earn your right to party hard. Tailgate or do whatever you enjoy, but use your time wisely.
Having said that, I can understand his philosophical view. What is the main reason why individuals go to college? To get the best education or to spend 4 years partying and just getting by academically, without any idea where they are going in life? Most people fall somewhere in between.
I say work hard, study hard, and earn your right to party hard. Tailgate or do whatever you enjoy, but use your time wisely.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 12:04 pm to athletemed
wow...I could have saved a bunch of time and just read this thread instead of spending 2 hours watching Idiocracy....They both tell the same story and have just as many laughs 
most of these posts are really just to funny (or pitiful) to believe....
most of these posts are really just to funny (or pitiful) to believe....
Posted on 10/30/09 at 12:05 pm to PunchDrunk
quote:
The point is not that the athletic department is self sufficient, its that all of those dollars invested in athletics by the private sector could just as easily be invested in a chemistry, or biology or biotech departments.
Do you really believe the public sector funds would go to the chemistry department if LSU football did not exist? These are discretionary funds, and most people would just take an extra vacation. This would benefit Destin, not the chemistry department or even BR.
Posted on 10/30/09 at 12:05 pm to msbargas
quote:
I say work hard, study hard, and earn your right to party hard.
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