re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?

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Some of these people are so warped of their minds that it almost isn't funny anymore.

The athletic department intentionally lies about JJ stats to make him look better?

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Apparently JJ muffed two punts last year!

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Ive thought about this today. For one second take me out of JL fanboy mode and take yourself out of JJ or JL fan mode and become the casual random LSU football fan. Imagine the last 2 years of LSU football on offense. Most people would say they prefer JL. 2 reasons. #1) we sucked so bad last year, it just seemed the spark we got was from JL the brief chances he got. #2) This though 8 games...NOBODY has been bithching and griping about our offense. 99% of college football fans would give a qb a pass if he didint play well vs alabama. Its one game... vs the best defense in college football. Think abouut it... how many times on here have you heard people bitching about Oline not blocking?Or rbs not running hard, or Qb not making throws or tunring the ball over or continuesly going 3 and out??? How many times? THE ANSWER IS NONE. A complete 180 from last season. You dont have to be a fan of one qb or the other to answer those questions, its obvious. We keep talking aobut this "giving us the best chance to win" bullshite... My question is this. If JL was enough to beat oregon, wva (on the road) Msu (road), au, fla, tenn (road) WHY THE frick doesnt he give us the best chance to beat om, ark, uga and whoever else? If LM choses to go with JJ and for some reason we stumble and drop a game somewhere, he's gonna catch a load of shite from ALOT of differnt people.... as IMO he should. Stay with what you know works Les... If its not right in the game and you need to change something.. do it. I dont understand why we are even talking about it... nor do I understand why Les would consider doing something different. JMO.

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ive actually thought about that alot...

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Jefferson is more effective rushing than Ware

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You lost all credibility right there

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The facts demonstrate that Jefferson is a more effective runner than Ware. His numbers are better even when you include Jefferson's sacks. That's impressive anyway you want to slice it. It gives LSU more options on play calls. It gives LSU more ways to get yards on any given play. LSU is a running team, and Jefferson gives LSU a more effective running attack. It gives opposing defensive coordinators more to worry about and scheme for.

Please note that I didn't say that Jefferson is a better RB than Ware. However, when a QB who is as big a threat to run as Jefferson is lines up in the backfield, defenses have to account for his running ability on every play.

In short, Jefferson gets very significant yards on the ground. Yards on the ground count just as much as yards in the air even if they are not as pretty or glamorous

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The way you advocate a QB who can run, one would think that football cannot be played without a QB who can run.

And its just not the case. And if it were such an advantage, more college teams would be putting their best athlete at QB.

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How old are you? Have you not seen over the last 10-20 yrs mobile QB's have changed football?

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First of all, I define mobile QBs and running QBs differently.

Changed football? Really? I still watch a lot of football with traditional QB play, that is extremely effective.

In fact, I think the best offense in the country right now features a pretty traditional drop back passing QB (that would be Ok State and Brandon Weeden- check his rushin stats- they barely exist)

College football is trending to a more dual type of attack from the qb position.

Not saying there aren't going to be a lot of teams with traditional drop back passers.

But If you follow national recruiting, you would notice an emphasis on dual threat QB's.

LSU happens to be one of those teams that enjoys having a dual threat and traditional type on the team at the same time.

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First of all, I define mobile QBs and running QBs differently

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JJ isn't a running QB. He is mobile.

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Changed football? Really? I still watch a lot of football with traditional QB play, that is extremely effective.

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Of course there are still classic drop back QB's but there are more mobile QB's today than 20 yrs ago.

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In fact, I think the best offense in the country right now features a pretty traditional drop back passing QB.

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Ok St.? I can offer Oregon for my side of the argument.

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Perfect scenario, IMO, is finding a traditional drop back passer with good feet (mobility) like a Flynn, etc. Flynn was a passer first.

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Absolutely. I am one of those people that thinks mobility of a QB is extremely important. Now if you had one that was an equally good passer and runner. Your offense would be extremely dangerous.

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JJ isn't a running QB. He is mobile.

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Based on what I knew about JJ in high school, I agree. But, based on what transpired when he arrived to LSU, and the fact that he seemed basically brainwashed to be ultra conservative and never make a mistake (due to Lee's issues in 08), I think JJ has started to rely on running a bit too much, and it has a negative influence on his passing game.

When he breaks the pocket, his mind is made up. He doesn't run parallel to the line and keep his eyes downfield for a potential throw. He just runs. As I mentioned, I think certain factors made it this way. I think JJ is a much different QB than he was when he arrived. He is much improved as a runner.

I wish at times- he would look to throw more, vs settling with a run. A lot of big pass plays occur when a QB breaks the pocket, and DBs freeze.

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Of course there are still classic drop back QB's but there are more mobile QB's today than 20 yrs ago.

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Sure there are. But I'm not sure they have completely changed the game. They have created a new style of play. But the traditional style of play is still used, and still very effective.

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Ok St.? I can offer Oregon for my side of the argument.

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Sure you can. And its valid. I wonder what the breakdown would be of Oregon type offenses vs. more tradional style offenses. And IMO, to win at the highest level, against the best defenses, what Oregon does, doesn't work, because they can't rely on Thomas to throw. They essentially become one dimensional.

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What do you have against QBs that can run? Science has proved running QBs exert much pressure on defenses by having to cover him as a ball carrier. Pretty common knowledge among X 'n O teachers.

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Nothing. I prefer pass first QBs, who if are mobile, use running at last resort.

Are you an X and O teacher?

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I also shouldn't have to tell you the QB needs to be a threat to hurt you with the pass to be really effective, not just another RB

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You don't have to.