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re: SI featuring Jamarcus in upcoming article
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:49 am to TriumphTiger
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:49 am to TriumphTiger
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LSU was 11-1 going into the 2005 SECCG with the only loss in OT against UT on that messed up post-Katrina/Rita Monday night game. Then they played 10 straight undefeated weeks with no bye. They got trounced by a healthier UGA team.
2006 had 4 top 10 road games. It was a mess of a schedule and included the infamous "no PI" call at Auburn. That was a damn strong team.
His only time at LSU that wasn't championship caliber was when he platooned as a RS freshman with Marcus Randall in Saban's last year.
We might have won 10 straight regular season games in 2005, but JR hardly played at a championship level. The offense looked like dogshit against at least Auburn (20-17 OT, 5 missed Jon Vaughn FGs, Kenny Irons rushing for 200+), Florida (21-17, Meyer changing his offense after the game), and Arkansas (19-17).
A big reason we wanted Flynn was that he came in against Miami and lit up the Canes to a level we had not seen during the season.
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Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:52 am to Shaka Zulu
JR had more talent than any qb since John Elway. I don't think you know what talent is.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:58 am to TIsuGGER
Man Flynn played like hot garbage against ark in 07
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:01 am to TigerRagAndrew
Anyone who knows football know that Joe Addai was the real MVP of that game.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:03 am to bulldogger
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not even close.
Who's first, from a pure QBing standpoint - a guy to line up under center or in the gun, take the snap and move the ball?
493-797, 6625 yards, 52(!) TDs, versus 21 INTS
8 4th Qtr or OT comebacks.
Did all of that in 3 years. If his senior year had just held his average, he would have had almost 70 TD passes and 9000 yards passing and there would be a statue of him next to Shaq because with Russell leading the 2007 team (and all love to Matt Flynn), plus the 2007 defense, we would have finished undefeated, as well as BCS champions (which we won the BCS anyway).
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:04 am to Rickdaddy4188
SInce I have really been following LSU football (@1987), JR is absolutley without a doubt the best QB I have seen play at LSU. No other team before that had as much success as in 2005-06.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:05 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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Of course, this is possible, and there is no way of knowing either way. But we do know is that JR-led teams struggled relatively often to score points. Bama in 2005 (10 in regulation); Arky in 2005 (I believe it was 19 and we may have had a safety); Ga. in 2005 (admittedly a tired team but we did very little on - 14 points?); Ole Miss game (20 in reg, I think); UF 2006 (14 points); Auburn in 2006 (3 points). No Matt Flynn team ever scored fewer than 27 points in regulation time! Sure, it's possible that JR would have led LSU to an undefeated season in 2007, but it also possible that the offense bogs down with JR at the helm as it often did in the past. One could also argue that Flynn's 2007 squad would have been undefeated if they had the sort of defensive play, especially late in the year, that we routinely got in 2006. Sort of pointless, really ...
There is a theme to all of those games. LSU rushing in those games follows:
46
108
74
42
90
118
85
LSU averaged 150 yards rushing per game in 05 and 165 yards per game in 06. In contrast, LSU averaged a whooping 214 yards rushing in 07 and only had one game (Alabama) in which it got less than 100 yards rushing. By the way, JR's LSU teams in 05 and 06 averaged 40 points a game when they got at least 150 yards rushing. You give JR the running game that LSU had in 07 and you have an undefeated national title.
This post was edited on 10/26/11 at 10:06 am
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:09 am to TigerRagAndrew
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A big reason we wanted Flynn was that he came in against Miami and lit up the Canes to a level we had not seen during the season.
LSU got its highest rushing total of the season in that game. Flynn was pedestrian. The offensive line should have been given the MVP.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:22 am to glaucon
"You give JR the running game that LSU had in 07 and you have an undefeated national title."
Maybe. That is really all you can say. It is just as easy to argue that MF goes undefeated in 2007 with anything approaching the defense that JR benefitted from. MF's 2007 team LOST games in which they scored 27 and 28 points in reg! JR's teams routinely WON games scoring a heck of a lot less. We had some great players on defense in 2007 but especially after the injuries took hold, we primarily won with offense that year. It is fair to point to the better running game under Flynn but you also need to point out the better defense enjoyed by JR.
Maybe. That is really all you can say. It is just as easy to argue that MF goes undefeated in 2007 with anything approaching the defense that JR benefitted from. MF's 2007 team LOST games in which they scored 27 and 28 points in reg! JR's teams routinely WON games scoring a heck of a lot less. We had some great players on defense in 2007 but especially after the injuries took hold, we primarily won with offense that year. It is fair to point to the better running game under Flynn but you also need to point out the better defense enjoyed by JR.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:40 am to glaucon
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LSU got its highest rushing total of the season in that game. Flynn was pedestrian. The offensive line should have been given the MVP.
In '07, LSU rushed for 87 yards against Bama. And still scored 41 points.
In '06, LSU rushed for 90 yards against Florida. And only scored 10 points.
Blaming the rushing games doesn't work, because when you are behind, you throw the ball more. In the Bama game Flynn threw for 353 yards. In the Florida game JR threw for 228 yards.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 11:03 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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Maybe. That is really all you can say. It is just as easy to argue that MF goes undefeated in 2007 with anything approaching the defense that JR benefitted from. MF's 2007 team LOST games in which they scored 27 and 28 points in reg! JR's teams routinely WON games scoring a heck of a lot less. We had some great players on defense in 2007 but especially after the injuries took hold, we primarily won with offense that year. It is fair to point to the better running game under Flynn but you also need to point out the better defense enjoyed by JR.
The horrible '07 defense that was ranks 3rd in total defense and 11th in scoring defense? The '07 defense whose worst game was the same one that Matt Flynn was 22 of 47 for 209 a paltry 4.4 yard per attempt? He also went 6 for 20 in the first half and was the reason that LSU goes into the half down 7-6 at halftime. Also, lets not forget that LSU started the first possession of that game on the Arkansas 25. How about that other game that LSU lost in '07? Flynn went 17 of 35 for 130 yards for a great 3.7 yards per attempt against Kentucky. Flynn bless him for the '07 title but JR wins that game against Arkansas and Kentucky. By the way, JR went 20 of 35 for 269 and 24 of 41 for 228 against Auburn and Florida respectively in '06.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 11:07 am to TIsuGGER
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In '07, LSU rushed for 87 yards against Bama. And still scored 41 points.
In '06, LSU rushed for 90 yards against Florida. And only scored 10 points.
Blaming the rushing games doesn't work, because when you are behind, you throw the ball more. In the Bama game Flynn threw for 353 yards. In the Florida game JR threw for 228 yards.
Alabama is the only outlier in the whole of the '07 season and they gave up almost 400 yards in the air that game. JR won a bunch of games where we didn't run the ball well.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 11:11 am to glaucon
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Alabama is the only outlier in the whole of the '07 season
And based on outliers, Flynn wins both games in '06. LSU has an undefeated championship. See how that works?
Posted on 10/26/11 at 11:16 am to TIsuGGER
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And based on outliers, Flynn wins both games in '06. LSU has an undefeated championship. See how that works?
I am not basing anything on outliers.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 11:29 am to Ace Midnight
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8 4th Qtr or OT comebacks.
Always part of the Jamarcus enigma to me.
Why were those uber-talented teams that Jamarcus played on behind in the 4th quarter so much? Jamarcus was part of the reason that LSU had to play catch-up in those games.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 11:33 am to Choupique19
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Why were those uber-talented teams that Jamarcus played on behind in the 4th quarter so much? Jamarcus was part of the reason that LSU had to play catch-up in those games.
How many times did the '07 team have to come from behind in the 4th Q? Was that a negative for Flynn or is he hailed for his leadership for leading his team back?
Posted on 10/26/11 at 11:39 am to Choupique19
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Why were those uber-talented teams that Jamarcus played on behind in the 4th quarter so much? Jamarcus was part of the reason that LSU had to play catch-up in those games.
Because they couldn't run the ball against good defenses.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 11:41 am to saintsfan22
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How many times did the '07 team have to come from behind in the 4th Q?
Gary Crowton?
Posted on 10/26/11 at 1:37 pm to McChowder
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This comming from someone who shows up to a barber shop 3-4 times a week and hardly ever shows up in the same car.
Not only that he comes in and closes the shop for over an hour. I should try that at my barber shop... "I would like some privacy today. Could you please lower the blinds and put the vertical bars on the door?"
Posted on 10/26/11 at 2:54 pm to glaucon
"The horrible '07 defense that was ranks 3rd in total defense and 11th in scoring defense?"
I never said the 2007 D was "horrible." That's your straw man. The fact is that the D in the second half of the 2007 season routinely gave up LOTS of points requiring the offense to score a great deal to win games. How often did the 2006 D give up 27 or more points in a game? Did it ever? There is no conjecture in this. There is a great deal of conjecture in your assertion that a Russell-led team in 2007 would have gone undefeated in 2007.
I never said the 2007 D was "horrible." That's your straw man. The fact is that the D in the second half of the 2007 season routinely gave up LOTS of points requiring the offense to score a great deal to win games. How often did the 2006 D give up 27 or more points in a game? Did it ever? There is no conjecture in this. There is a great deal of conjecture in your assertion that a Russell-led team in 2007 would have gone undefeated in 2007.
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