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re: Russel Shepard Only caught 6 passes the entire year?

Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:18 am to
Posted by coldhotwings
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:18 am to
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Maybe you can answer this simple question then; where the frick did this offense go exactly?


The offense sucked, the o-line can't block, and Mett cannot hit an open receiver at an alarming rate. So what does this have to do with Shep getting more carries again or is it just another jab at the coaches?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:21 am to
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The offense sucked, the o-line can't block, and Mett cannot hit an open receiver at an alarming rate. So what does this have to do with Shep getting more carries again or is it just another jab at the coaches?


A little creativity on offense utilizing in house talent may have been a way to work around your line, your deep passing problem and some other problems you are having on offense.

I'm pretty convinced, as most people are...that the this staff doesn't have the answers. They need a new offensive braintrust.

You brought up going against the grain, but I don't think you understand I am firmly going with the grain here. Very few disagree with what I just typed.
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 2:22 am
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:22 am to
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The offense sucked, the o-line can't block, and Mett cannot hit an open receiver at an alarming rate. So what does this have to do with Shep getting more carries again or is it just another jab at the coaches?


You just don't get it. Who is it that didn't let Mett take ANY snaps in 2011 other than against Northwestern fricking St? Who didn't let Shep touch the ball after 2010? Who leads this clown offense? Please don't say Stud. Your questions have been answered.
Posted by JR Hamilsbach
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:23 am to
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The offense sucked, the o-line can't block, and Mett cannot hit an open receiver at an alarming rate. So what does this have to do with Shep getting more carries again or is it just another jab at the coaches?



What do you think the outcome would be coldhotwings if LSU and Bama traded Mett for McCarron straight up?
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:27 am to
I am definitely on the side that wants a new OC but I also do not assume a different OC would necessarily utilize Shep more. Depending on who is the OC, he may not even see the field at all. During the senior all-star games, Shep worked under 2 different offensive coaches and he still cannot make anything happen. Shep was a 5-star dual threat QB who came into the wrong system. He switching over to another position does not mean he is a 5-star RB or a 5-star WR. I just don't think he is as talented as the guys he competed against as far as what is demanded from those positions.
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:28 am to
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What do you think the outcome would be coldhotwings if LSU and Bama traded Mett for McCarron straight up?


I do think McCarron is a better QB so I don't think I would give you the answer you are looking for.
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:32 am to
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You just don't get it. Who is it that didn't let Mett take ANY snaps in 2011 other than against Northwestern fricking St? Who didn't let Shep touch the ball after 2010? Who leads this clown offense? Please don't say Stud. Your questions have been answered.


I do get it. It is another coaching hate fest thread just like many of the other threads started by the same people. My fault for hoping that we can get into a discussion that would not eventually lead to that.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:38 am to
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I am definitely on the side that wants a new OC but I also do not assume a different OC would necessarily utilize Shep more.



I definitely think a new OC operating autonomously would be in improvement no matter who he/she/it utilizes.


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Depending on who is the OC, he may not even see the field at all. During the senior all-star games, Shep worked under 2 different offensive coaches and he still cannot make anything happen.


I saw him run two kicks back today.

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Shep was a 5-star dual threat QB who came into the wrong system. He switching over to another position does not mean he is a 5-star RB or a 5-star WR. I just don't think he is as talented as the guys he competed against as far as what is demanded from those positions.



He is a no position buy, a utility guy and someone that Miles and Stud forgot how to use, though he was used with a high degree of effectiveness early in his career. His lack of production the last two years were not due to him getting worse, it was due to him being utilized rarely and when utilized...incorrectly for the most part. I, you, my barber and his wife all knew shep wasn't going to be a WR.

Unless changes are made in the offense you will keep seeing elite talent come here and get lost. Rueben Randle was also a top ten recruit who didn't find his niche until the last year. He has since expressed the same concerns you see us expressing.

How do you see Jeryl Brazil being utilized? He is another utility guy who, if not moved to defense, may find himself with extremely limited opportunity.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
13365 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:38 am to
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I do get it. It is another coaching hate fest thread just like many of the other threads started by the same people. My fault for hoping that we can get into a discussion that would not eventually lead to that.




Wow, are you predictable. You go ahead and make yourself feel better however you need to.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:39 am to
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I do get it. It is another coaching hate fest thread just like many of the other threads started by the same people. My fault for hoping that we can get into a discussion that would not eventually lead to that.




And there it is, knew it would come. It's all about protecting the HC at all cost.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
13365 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:40 am to
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Rueben Randle was also a top ten recruit who didn't find his niche until the last year. He has since expressed the same concerns you see us expressing.



Nah, he's just bitter. His sample size is too small anyway.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:41 am to
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Nah, he's just bitter. His sample size is too small anyway.



Yeah, and inflated due to those "outliers."
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:52 am to
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I saw him run two kicks back today.


That does not have to do with offense. The kick return positions have been occupied by some pretty good players these last few years so I don't think he would've been much of an upgrade at those spots for LSU.

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Unless changes are made in the offense you will keep seeing elite talent come here and get lost. Rueben Randle was also a top ten recruit who didn't find his niche until the last year. He has since expressed the same concerns you see us expressing.


It did not help that JJ was not a good QB and probably the least accurate QB to start for LSU for an extended number of games since I can remember.

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How do you see Jeryl Brazil being utilized? He is another utility guy who, if not moved to defense, may find himself with extremely limited opportunity.


I am one of the ones hoping to see him on offense especially at RB. He has Olympian speed and better built than Shep or Trindon. The RB depth chart is also better in his favor than it has been with Shep.
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:54 am to
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Wow, are you predictable. You go ahead and make yourself feel better however you need to.


And you think what you post is of original thought and ingenuity? It's funny how it goes from talking about Shep to attacking the coaches and now personal attacks on me. I never saw that one coming.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:55 am to

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That does not have to do with offense. The kick return positions have been occupied by some pretty good players these last few years so I don't think he would've been much of an upgrade at those spots for LSU.


Well, you said he didn't do much, and it looks like to me they found a place for him.


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I am one of the ones hoping to see him on offense especially at RB. He has Olympian speed and better built than Shep or Trindon. The RB depth chart is also better in his favor than it has been with Shep.


If he's a RB, at best...he will get Ford's 3-4 touches a game under this offense.

You have Blue, Hilliard and Hill returning. Miles prefers this type of back.
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 2:57 am
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:57 am to
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And there it is, knew it would come. It's all about protecting the HC at all cost.



Yeah its kinda funny isn't it? A thread changes from Shep to trashing the coaches. I mention this change and now I am labeled as "that guy". I brought it upon myself for even posting on this thread I guess.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 3:00 am to
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Yeah its kinda funny isn't it? A thread changes from Shep to trashing the coaches. I mention this change and now I am labeled as "that guy". I brought it upon myself for even posting on this thread I guess.



No, but it's predictable. Seems every thread someone tries to minimize the talent of a particular player it's in an effort to protect the HC.

Love Miles and hope he's here forever which is why I want him to change the offense. If I didn't care for him, would hope he did nothing and failed.

It's just frustrating to see good talent come in and the offense still struggle like it has.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
13365 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 3:03 am to
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And you think what you post is of original thought and ingenuity?


Deflect much? I'm not bashing the coaches. You talked about the offense sucking and Mett not being able to hit passes. I brought up fair points.

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It's funny how it goes from talking about Shep to attacking the coaches and now personal attacks on me. I never saw that one coming.


Personal attacks on you? How old are you? Calling you predictable is certainly not an attack. Especially considering the path you took in this "debate".
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 3:06 am
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 3:05 am to
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Well, you said he didn't do much, and it looks like to me they found a place for him.


Sorry that I wasn't being specific enough. So he contributed on special teams for them. I don't see how that would make him supplant Mathieu, Peterson, OBJ, etc on LSU special teams.


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If he's a RB, at best...he will get Ford's 3-4 touches a game under this offense.

You have Blue, Hilliard and Hill returning. Miles prefers this type of back.


All three are great backs so he's going to have to compete his arse off. That doesn't mean he can't earn a place with those guys in the backfield. Last time I checked the commitment list, no RB's are listed for the 2013 class. All 3 of the incumbent backs will be draft eligible soon so there is no reason to think that Brazil cannot become Fournette's running mate if he can prove that he can run tough and hold onto the football.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 3:09 am to
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Sorry that I wasn't being specific enough. So he contributed on special teams for them. I don't see how that would make him supplant Mathieu, Peterson, OBJ, etc on LSU special teams.




You missed the point, but that doesn't surprise me.

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If he's a RB, at best...he will get Ford's 3-4 touches a game under this offense.

You have Blue, Hilliard and Hill returning. Miles prefers this type of back.


All three are great backs so he's going to have to compete his arse off. That doesn't mean he can't earn a place with those guys in the backfield. Last time I checked the commitment list, no RB's are listed for the 2013 class. All 3 of the incumbent backs will be draft eligible soon so there is no reason to think that Brazil cannot become Fournette's running mate if he can prove that he can run tough and hold onto the football.


Unless the offense is changed, a back like Brrazil (if he is even used at RB) will have limited use in this offense. LSU will always have a big between the tackles guy or two who gets the bulk of the work.

Shep was a much better prospect than Brazil. No reason to think his career doesn't take the same path.
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 3:10 am
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