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re: Russel Shepard Only caught 6 passes the entire year?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You can utilize an offense that increases touches for everyone. LSU's sluggish offense limited the number of touches...period.
A better offense utilizing the talent at hand may give everyone more opportunities to touch the ball. We aren't talking about taking away touches from anyone, but creating opportunities for everyone.
Now you are going beyond the scope. I would love to see our offense have as many snaps as Oregon did but that's not what happened. My argument is about how the snaps are divvied up amongst the guys we have on roster. If we had the play-making ability as the 2007 offense to where the offense stays on the field for long periods of time, then Shep would've gotten a lot more opportunities. The reality is that the current set of guys cannot stay on the field. The current o-line struggles in protection and the QB overthrows wide open receivers; therefore causing 3-and-outs. So I guess we can place blame on the o-line and Mett for Shep not getting more chances as well.
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:35 am to coldhotwings
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I've seen enough football to know that 7 ypc cannot be sustained with a bigger load of carries.
You're not the only one who watches a lot of football. Specific packages designed for him combined with what he actually did, lead me to believe it was possible. We're not talking about him being a primary ball carrier or even a full-time WR.
I'm not quite sure what else to say if you are going to keep doubting a guy who DID average 7 ypc.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:35 am to coldhotwings
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Now you are going beyond the scope. I would love to see our offense have as many snaps as Oregon did but that's not what happened. My argument is about how the snaps are divvied up amongst the guys we have on roster. If we had the play-making ability as the 2007 offense to where the offense stays on the field for long periods of time, then Shep would've gotten a lot more opportunities. The reality is that the current set of guys cannot stay on the field. The current o-line struggles in protection and the QB overthrows wide open receivers; therefore causing 3-and-outs. So I guess we can place blame on the o-line and Mett for Shep not getting more chances as well.
I think the problem many of us have had from the start is the offense doesn't utilize players like Shep veyr well and limits the touches they will get simply based on the fact the offense just isn't on the field very often. A better offense would utilize more playes and everyone would have more touches and be more productive.
I hope it changes so a guy like Brazil who is coming in can be utilized and even highlighted in the offense, but I don't see it happening.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You never know man. He kept it up for 100 carries. A few more "outlier" runs and he may could have done it.
You have enough rationality to know that a RB with a full load cannot maintain such a high ypc average. I don't even know why you are arguing against that known fact in football. If you fully legitimize a small sample size then you can make the argument that Shep is a better RB than Trent Richardson, Montee Ball, and Marcus Lattimore.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:41 am to coldhotwings
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You have enough rationality to know that a RB with a full load cannot maintain such a high ypc average. I don't even know why you are arguing against that known fact in football. If you fully legitimize a small sample size then you can make the argument that Shep is a better RB than Trent Richardson, Montee Ball, and Marcus Lattimore.
100 more carries simply means doubling his carries, which would still not make him a "full load" running back. Even during his busiest season at running back he averaged less than 4 carries a game.
200 carries for a career would be 4 carries per game. Really doesn't sound like a huge load.
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
actually I thought Crowton had the right idea on how to use Shep in 2010 (for the most part), but of the 33 passes he caught a bunch were shitty passes from Jordan that didn't leave much room for yds after the catch.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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100 carries simply means doubling his carries, which would still not make him a "full load" running back. Even during his busiest season at running back he averaged less than 4 carries a game.
It's no use, he's watched a lot of football.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:47 am to ATLTiger
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actually I thought Crowton had the right idea on how to use Shep in 2010 (for the most part), but of the 33 passes he caught a bunch were shitty passes from Jordan that didn't leave much room for yds after the catch.
His first two years were by far his most productive. In 2010 alone he had almost 500 yards from scrimmage. Fell off in unbelievable fashion the next year. His touches (runs and receptions) dropped from 65 in 2012 to 21 in 2011.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:50 am to Sho Nuff
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I'm not quite sure what else to say if you are going to keep doubting a guy who DID average 7 ypc.
You are getting too hung up on numbers from a sample size. You should already know from statistics classes that a small sample tends to skew the graph. The Oregon WR's with the 2 highest highest ypc average got less than 10 receptions a piece. Under the same logic, Chip Kelly did not utilize his receiving talent well.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:55 am to coldhotwings
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You are getting too hung up on numbers from a sample size. You should already know from statistics classes that a small sample tends to skew the graph. The Oregon WR's with the 2 highest highest ypc average got less than 10 receptions a piece. Under the same logic, Chip Kelly did not utilize his receiving talent well.
He had almost 500 yards from scrimmage in 2010. Not sure what to tell you, but that seems pretty damn productive to me considering he only had 60 touches. This is a guy some on here are calling a "bust."
The guy averaged over 10 yards per catch on 55 catches for his career as well. You folks can try all you want to minimize what he did, but he was productive with the ball in his hands.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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His first two years were by far his most productive. In 2010 alone he had almost 500 yards from scrimmage. Fell off in unbelievable fashion the next year. His touches (runs and receptions) dropped from 65 in 2012 to 21 in 2011.
2 different OC's called different plays and packages. Crowton was more about the dink and dunk while the offense under Stud has been more about pushing the pile and surprise them with the deep ball. It was Crowton's packages that caused a lot of the problems of getting set and the ball snapped on time. His offense involved more of the packages with a guy like Shep in it but at the same time, without a field general like Flynn, it was chaotic.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:58 am to coldhotwings
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2 different OC's called different plays and packages. Crowton was more about the dink and dunk while the offense under Stud has been more about pushing the pile and surprise them with the deep ball. It was Crowton's packages that caused a lot of the problems of getting set and the ball snapped on time. His offense involved more of the packages with a guy like Shep in it but at the same time, without a field general like Flynn, it was chaotic.
Yeah, as Crowtons influence waned, so did Sheps touches and the offense became much more simplistic.
Hopefully the offense will open up and utilize a guy like Brazil who is coming in.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He had almost 500 yards from scrimmage in 2010. Not sure what to tell you, but that seems pretty damn productive to me considering he only had 60 touches. This is a guy some on here are calling a "bust."
The guy averaged over 10 yards per catch on 55 catches for his career as well. You folks can try all you want to minimize what he did, but he was productive with the ball in his hands.
First of all, don't try to group us all together in one. I know you like to go against the grain because it gives you a buzz but we all have differing arguments on how we view the success of our players. It seems like you are forcing us to pick a side of whether he's good or he sucks. I don't think he sucks but I am certainly not pleased after having such high expectations of him coming out of HS. I take Miles word for it when he said that he does not view Shep a bust. IMO, a true bust is a guy who cannot last 4 years in the program. Shep has contributed a lot to the program and he showed improvement in 2011 with JJ as his QB. The truth is that he is not a fit with where the offense went in 2012 and with Mett as his QB.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:05 am to coldhotwings
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In Shep's first year at LSU, he was still a QB. Now he is a WR and teams know what his tendencies are and what he can do from the backfield. If our offense was full of ULL players then a strong argument can certainly be made that Shep wasn't utilized. The issue for him was that he is competing against highly touted WR's with better hands than him and against a backfield of RB's who outweigh him by 40-50 pounds and can start just about anywhere in the country. The staff already made the decision on the hierarchy of touches. If he gets more touches, he's going to take a piece off of someone else's pie.
He's not a wide receiver. He isn't really anything. The point is that a creative and capable offensive mind could have taken the positionless Shep and utilized him far more effectively than many traditional wideouts. It was a shame that this did not occur. He was a crappy "receiver" and it's a travesty he was used as such.
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If he would've taken a red-shirt, he'd be competing against only 3 others for carries next season instead of against 5 very good RB's.
And lol at suggesting that the #1 recruit in the country should red shirt or shouldn't take away touches of others. The fact that you're stating this and appear to be serious just proves the point of what a joke the Les Miles offense is. By using Shep and being more potent on offense results in more touches for everybody.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:09 am to coldhotwings
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I know you like to go against the grain because it gives you a buzz
Jesus christ...
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:11 am to coldhotwings
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I know you like to go against the grain because it gives you a buzz but we all have differing arguments on how we view the success of our players.
I like how you state opinion as fact.
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I take Miles word for it when he said that he does not view Shep a bust.
Why would you take Miles opinion on this? Miles has to kiss Shep's arse in the press conferences because of how shittily he was treated and underutilized. Actions speak louder than words and Miles' actions state that he was a bust. Luckily for Shep, Miles opinion on offense means nada, which suggests that Shep has a shot at a bright future in the NFL.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:11 am to coldhotwings
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You are getting too hung up on numbers from a sample size. You should already know from statistics classes that a small sample tends to skew the graph.
And AGAIN, you skim right over the point; how do you KNOW he couldn't have kept up a high average? We have facts and then we have opinion. I am not saying he would for sure average 7 ypc with 200 carries. But what I am asking is why didn't we find out?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:13 am to Sho Nuff
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And AGAIN, you skim right over the point; how do you KNOW he couldn't have kept up a high average? We have facts and then we have opinion. I am not saying he would for sure average 7 ypc with 200 carries. But what I am asking is why didn't we find out?
Yep, doubling that average from 2 carries per game for a career to 4 would have taken two touches away from someone else. Don't forget that little jewel.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:13 am to coldhotwings
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The truth is that he is not a fit with where the offense went in 2012 and with Mett as his QB.
Maybe you can answer this simple question then; where the frick did this offense go exactly?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:14 am to JR Hamilsbach
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And lol at suggesting that the #1 recruit in the country should red shirt or shouldn't take away touches of others. The fact that you're stating this and appear to be serious just proves the point of what a joke the Les Miles offense is.
Yeah because recruiting sites always gets it right.
The Cowboys should've looked up the recruiting rankings before wasting their 6th overall pick.
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