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re: Refresh My Memory on Why Dinardo Was Hired
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:10 pm to GABlueDog
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:10 pm to GABlueDog
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Because the LSU football program was a pile of charred ashes when he was hired. He was one of the few that really wanted to be the HC here. Moreover, going 18-26 (5-6, 5-6, 4-7, 4-7) at Vandy was considered, as it would be today, to be a great accomplishment.
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Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:52 pm to TriumphTiger
Nuts4LSU:
Thanks for pointing out a few of my less well thought out points. I was trying to get to lunch and threw that together without going back to re-read it. Every time I think of Arnsparger, I think of that Miami(Ohio) game because (1) I was there in the rain watching that fiasco and (2) all we heard about all week before that game was how Arnsparger had cut his coaching teeth at Miami. I thought it was very odd that we lost to them, but now that I think about it, perhaps that wasn't so inexplicable either. Anyway, a better word would have been disappointing losses-like Miss. St., Baylor and Miami, each one costing us dearly in each year of his tenure. And yes, the defense was loaded when Dinardo got there. Hallman did recruit pretty well (remember the Fab 5, wasn't that 1991 or 1992). I was probably focusing more on the offensive side of the ball, and also on the fact that Dinardo had taken over a program that had forgotten how to win and turned it around quickly. I was at that 1995 Auburn game where Twillie picked off the Auburn pass into the end zone with a few seconds left to seal the win. Man, was it hot that night.
Thanks for pointing out a few of my less well thought out points. I was trying to get to lunch and threw that together without going back to re-read it. Every time I think of Arnsparger, I think of that Miami(Ohio) game because (1) I was there in the rain watching that fiasco and (2) all we heard about all week before that game was how Arnsparger had cut his coaching teeth at Miami. I thought it was very odd that we lost to them, but now that I think about it, perhaps that wasn't so inexplicable either. Anyway, a better word would have been disappointing losses-like Miss. St., Baylor and Miami, each one costing us dearly in each year of his tenure. And yes, the defense was loaded when Dinardo got there. Hallman did recruit pretty well (remember the Fab 5, wasn't that 1991 or 1992). I was probably focusing more on the offensive side of the ball, and also on the fact that Dinardo had taken over a program that had forgotten how to win and turned it around quickly. I was at that 1995 Auburn game where Twillie picked off the Auburn pass into the end zone with a few seconds left to seal the win. Man, was it hot that night.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:57 pm to BilJ
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come on alumnus I know you don't like the frank wilson hire
Frank actually played RB, so TBA should be ok with it. So long Frank doesn't get uppity and try to ascend past a position coach.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:16 pm to SouthernMan
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Our sentence for helping Mac Pack was 20 years in the coaching wilderness.
Revisionist history. The next nine years after he was let go was better than the last nine years he was here. It wasn't until 1989, a full TEN YEARS after he was let go, that the program went into the tank. Unless you think Mac would have coached for ten more years if he hadn't been let go (which would have put him close to 80 when he retired), he would have been gone before then in any case. And even if he did last until then, unless he coached ANOTHER five years (until he was well over 80), we still would have been looking for a new coach around 1990 or 1991, just as we were anyway.
Letting Mac go IMPROVED the program for nine years. Hiring Mike Archer ten years later when Steve Spurrier and others were available was what put LSU in a bad situation in football.
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I wonder how long the football gods will punish us if we topple the Hat.
If they "punish" us the same way they did when we let Mac go (i.e. nine years of improved performance), sign us up today!
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:22 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Who ever chose Emmert is the one who chose the right guy. imo
His hire led too much of what has followed for LSU football and the school. I was a sad guy when he left BR.
Truer words have never been posted. Emmert was amazing, and we lost a lot when he went to Washington.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:24 pm to cggeaxtigers
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He's under appreciated. He caught some tough breaks. In his last season, i believe the average margin of loss was somewhere around 3. Close but no cigar.
No, that was 1998. In his last year (1999), we sucked balls. 41-7 to Auburn, 31-5 to Kentucky, 20-7 to Houston, 42-23 to Ole Miss and 31-10 to Florida were among his eight losses (in 10 games) that year.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:27 pm to drizztiger
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Two words: Joe fricking Dean
nope, three words: Drunk Joe fricking Dean
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:33 pm to Green Ram 2
he coached under Mccartney at Colorado and was named national cordinator of the year. He might not have had a winning season at Vanderbilt but the was credited with making ther program very competive. Do your homework before you "dog" someone
Posted on 3/17/10 at 9:26 pm to Meursault
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As for the hate, I think it has more to do with Tepper than Dinardo himself.
Ditto
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:48 am to Nuts4LSU
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Revisionist history. The next nine years after he was let go was better than the last nine years he was here.
LSU record:
1971-1979: 65-35-3 (65.2%)
1980-1988: 66-34-5 (65.2%)
Just to pick another arbitrary period (4 Years)
1976-1979: 30-16-1 (64.9%)
1980-1983: 22-21-2 (51.1%)
This post was edited on 3/18/10 at 7:55 am
Posted on 3/18/10 at 8:48 am to cajunjj
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Dean was a retard. Only cared about bb. Glad when he was gone.
B. S.
Joe Dean only cared if LSU's budget was in the black or red.
If he cared about basketball only, why he hired John Brady??? JB had a losing record at LSU after 10+ years, FYI.
Posted on 3/18/10 at 9:33 am to blueridgeTiger
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LSU record:
1971-1979: 65-35-3 (65.2%)
1980-1988: 66-34-5 (65.2%)
It was actually 67-35-3 from 1971-79, which is an identical winning percentage to 1980-88, but Mac's percentage is helped by after-the-fact forfeits by Mississippi State in games we lost on the field. His actual record on the field was 65-37-3 (.633).
And you also failed to note these other differences:
SEC championships:
1971-79: 0
1980-88: 2 (and got dicked out of another one in 1984)
Top 5 finishes:
1971-79: 0
1980-88: 1
Top 10 finishes:
1971-79: 2
1980-88: 2
Top 25 finishes:
1971-79: 3
1980-88: 6
Major Bowl appearances:
1971-79: 1
1980-88: 3
Anyone who thinks the last 9 years under Mac were as good as the next 9 after he was let go just doesn't want to know the truth. In any event, there was absolutely certainly no drop-off.
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Just to pick another arbitrary period (4 Years)
1976-1979: 30-16-1 (64.9%)
1980-1983: 22-21-2 (51.1%)
Yes, 1981 and 1983 sucked. And of course your time period conveniently excludes Mac's two worst seasons in 1974 and 1975 and stops right before our 5-year streak of good (for us back then) seasons from 1984-88.
The reason I selected 9 years was because that's how long we continued to have success in general before the bottom fell out in 1989. The suggestion that letting Mac go caused the bottom to fall out, but with a mysterious 10-year delayed reaction, is stupid. The problems happened because of who we hired in 1987, not who we let go in 1979.
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