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re: Pete Maravich
Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:31 am to Rouge
Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:31 am to Rouge
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basketball is a team sport, and team accomplishments obviously mean a lot. the LSU teams during the Maravich era did very little in the terms of post-season achievement.
This was in the days of either the 32 or 16 team tournament. Back when the NIT was actually a somewhat prestigious tournament.
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Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:37 am to Rouge
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team accomplishments obviously mean a lot. the LSU teams during the Maravich era did very little ....
The LSU team was 3-23 the year before Pete started playing varsity. The year before that they were 6-20.
The 1st year Pete was on the varsity they finished 14-12.
Seems to me that the team accomplished more with Pete in one season than they did in 2+ years before Pete.
Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:39 am to klrstix
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Their are many great basketball players through the years ( such as M Jordan...) but Pete Maravich is in a league all his own. His has no equal and no one is even close. IMO you would have to have actually seen him play to appreciate the truth of this.
I grew up watching Pete and Im a big fan but to say he was a better basketball player than Jordan is so far off its not even funny.
A league of his own, come on!
Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:40 am to Mighty Cajun
Pete Maravich was the single best college basketball player in college sports history. This fact is indisputable. The numbers don't lie. He may not have been the best team-mate (I don't know because I wasn't alive back then), but as far as pure basketball talent, there has never been anyone any better.
His shooting, passing, dribbling, court awareness, vision, defense, and committment were unparalleled.
It doesn't matter how many games the team won or lost. It wasn't his job to make the other players around him better, that was their job. It was the coaches job to coach the team...not Pistol's.
So your point about him making everyone else better is unfounded because we're talking about the best basketball player... not team-mate or coach.
His shooting, passing, dribbling, court awareness, vision, defense, and committment were unparalleled.
It doesn't matter how many games the team won or lost. It wasn't his job to make the other players around him better, that was their job. It was the coaches job to coach the team...not Pistol's.
So your point about him making everyone else better is unfounded because we're talking about the best basketball player... not team-mate or coach.
Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:40 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Seems to me that the team accomplished more with Pete in one season than they did in 2+ years before Pete.
True, in a rational world. In the world of The Rant, failure to contend seriously for, and win a significant majority of, national, world and intergalactic championships constitutes abject failure.
Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:42 am to bomber77
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I grew up watching Pete and Im a big fan but to say he was a better basketball player than Jordan is so far off its not even funny.
A league of his own, come on!
Your a dork. Michael Jordan wasn't half the player Pistol Pete was in college. Yes, in the pro's MJ was the best ever, but in college, he wasn't even the best player on that NC team.
Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:49 am to inebr8ted tiger
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Pete Maravich was the single best college basketball player in college sports history. This fact is indisputable.
This is where I sort of lean a little to what Rouge was saying. I disagree that it is indisputable. I think it is a two person argument that I can see both sides of. Maravich vs Alcindor.
Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:50 am to inebr8ted tiger
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Michael Jordan wasn't half the player Pistol Pete was in college.
Are you kidding me on Pete > Lew Alcinder?
This post was edited on 6/18/10 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:54 am to inebr8ted tiger
Inebr8ed tiger, 
! Couldn't have said it any better.
! Couldn't have said it any better.This post was edited on 6/18/10 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:57 am to b rod lsu
Posted on 6/18/10 at 11:58 am to bomber77
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Are you kidding me on Pete > Lew Alcinder?
It's no less rational than trying to tell me that Jordan was a better college player than Maravich.
If Pete played alongside Curtis Rowe, Lynn Shackleford and Sidney Wicks on a team coached by John Wooden he would have the same amount of team and personal accolades that Alcindor had, all the while with a higher scoring and assist output. I'm not saying he was better than Alcindor, but it's certainly not out of the question.
Posted on 6/18/10 at 12:07 pm to b rod lsu
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I'm not saying he was better than Alcindor, but it's certainly not out of the question.
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Alcindor (Jabbar) with the reverse two hand dunk.Lew Alcindor played three seasons for the UCLA Bruins from 1966-67 to 1968-69 under coach John Wooden, contributing to the team's three-year record of 88 wins and only two losses: one to the University of Houston (see below) and the other to crosstown rival USC who played a "stall game" (i.e., there was no shot clock, so a team could exploit the rules by holding the ball as long as it wanted before attempting to score).
During his college career, Alcindor was twice named Player of the Year (1967, 1969), was a three-time First Team All-American (1967-69), played on three NCAA basketball champion teams (1967, 1968, 1969), was honored as the Most Outstanding Player in the NCAA Tournament (1967, 1968, 1969), and became the first-ever Naismith College Player of the Year in 1969.
In 1967 and 1968 he also won USBWA College Player of the Year which later became the Oscar Robertson Trophy. Alcindor became the only player to win the Helms Foundation Player of the Year award three times. The 1965-1966 UCLA Bruin team was the preseason #1. But on November 27, 1965, the freshmen team led by Alcindor defeated the varsity team 75-60 in the first game in the new Pauley Pavilion.[5] This defeat had no effect on the varsity's national ranking. It was still number one the following week. Alcindor scored 51 points in that game.
UCLA became the first school to have the winners of both college basketball and football's top awards in the same academic year with Alcindor winning the Naismith Award and Bruin quarterback Gary Beban winning the Heisman Trophy in the 1968-69 school year.
The dunk was banned in college basketball after the 1967 season, primarily because of Alcindor's dominant use of the shot.[4][6] It was not allowed again until 1976.
While playing for UCLA, he suffered a scratched left cornea on January 12, 1968, at the Cal game when he was struck by Tom Henderson of Cal in a rebound battle.[7] He would miss the next two games against Stanford and Portland.[4] This happened right before the momentous game against Houston. His cornea later would be scratched again during his pro career, causing him to subsequently wear goggles for protection.
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If Pete played alongside Curtis Rowe, Lynn Shackleford and Sidney Wicks on a team coached by John Wooden he would have the same amount of team and personal accolades that Alcindor had
He also wouldnt have been able to shoot the ball every time down the court. What would make you possibly believe he would have better numbers?
Also lets put Jordan on those shitty LSU teams instead of sharing the ball with all of the stars at NC. What kind of numbers does he put up there?
This post was edited on 6/18/10 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 6/18/10 at 12:10 pm to Mighty Cajun
I grew up in Metairie about a half block from him. In the early and mid eighties I used pick lemons from our tree and sell them to the neighbors. He always bought some and my Dad would always go with me to his house. He was the greatest!
He was the greatest!Posted on 6/18/10 at 12:19 pm to FanInLA
Even in the NBA Pete could score at will. When he was questioned why he never lead the NBA in scoring he said he would do so the following year. He did.
Posted on 6/18/10 at 12:20 pm to Mighty Cajun
al micheals said it best when he said any player wishing to break his scoring record would only have to make 15 3pointers every game of his career. to the pistol
to the pistol Posted on 6/18/10 at 12:21 pm to bomber77
Jordan averaged under 18 ppg for a career at UNC, his best season was right at 20 ppg. Do you think he would have hit for 40+ a night with those LSU teams?
Posted on 6/18/10 at 12:40 pm to b rod lsu
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Jordan averaged under 18 ppg for a career at UNC, his best season was right at 20 ppg. Do you think he would have hit for 40+ a night with those LSU teams?
No fricking way he could, he didnt have the talent, Alcinder either.
Posted on 6/18/10 at 12:43 pm to bomber77
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No fricking way he could, he didnt have the talent, Alcinder either.
cause that's exactly what I've said on this thread
Posted on 6/18/10 at 12:46 pm to Mighty Cajun
I met him when I was a youth...I attended a basketball camp and was on LSU's campus and we were introduced...was quite a thrill. Apple Sanders, Dan Hester and Fig Newton would teach us basics of hoop while at the camp....was run by Joe Dean and Brad Bryant...Lakeside Oaks. Also met his father, Press, and have his autograph on a piece of Converse basketball note pad paper.
Posted on 6/18/10 at 12:46 pm to wfallstiger
Pete Maravich is a far better basketball player than Michael Jordan could ever be.
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