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re: people, stop with the "backing into the ncg" garbage
Posted on 12/21/09 at 6:03 pm to drexyl
Posted on 12/21/09 at 6:03 pm to drexyl
quote:
we never controlled our own destiny
We most certainly did. We regained the #1 ranking when Ohio State lost. At that point we controlled our own destiny. All we had to do was win out, and we were in the championship game regardless of what happened to other teams. Well we didn't take care of our own business, and were at the mercy of needing other teams to lose to get in. Call it whatever you want.
The coach's name is completely irrelevant.
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Posted on 12/21/09 at 6:27 pm to drizztiger
quote:
BTW, the 2001 LSU Tiger Football team won it's last 3 SEC games and didn't need anyone to lose the last weekend to make the SECCG. fricking revisionists
LSU was ranked #1 before the Arky loss. So we gave every other team in the country a shot and they could't get it done. So the cycle ran full and LSU ended back on top.
The UGA team was playing great at the end of the year, but they got stomped by Tenn. at home.
LSU lost 2 games in "OT" by a combined 8 points.
USC lost 2 games in regulation by 8 points.
USC didn't play the schedule we did. If we didn't get into the title game does that mean (insert team here) backed in?
2007 CHAMPIONS
Posted on 12/21/09 at 6:55 pm to ssgrice
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USC didn't play the schedule we did. If we didn't get into the title game does that mean (insert team here) backed in?
Did you even attempt to read any of the other posts before you responded? I agree LSU was the most deserving team of those in contention when the decision was made.
Luck is a part of every championship season and certainly LSU in 2003 and 2007 attest to that. I believe both of those teams were deserving to play in the BCSCG. But that doesn't exempt either of them from backing-in. The most basic definition of backing-in to help you would be, "taking care of your own business on the field" then seeing how it plays out.
Certainly LSU did more of this in 2003 than 2007. And if WVU would have made the BCSCG over us, they would have backed in because of the loss to Pitt.
And in 2003, OU was the team that backed into the BCSCG. If the 2007 criteria was used in 2003, USC and LSU would have played the game.
This post was edited on 12/21/09 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 12/21/09 at 9:01 pm to bfniii
quote:
still waiting on proof that lsu was "more lucky" than all the other teams in college football.
You had two losses. That shows how lucky you were.
LSU had the 2nd best resume (before the NCG) in 2007. They deserved to be in the NCG.
But put the 2007 LSU resume in any other year under the BCS, and it's not one of the top two, and you're not in the NCG.
If you can't see that, I can't help you.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 9:58 pm to MC123
quote:i guess some people will never get it. they will continue to ignore the entire season to justify their criticisms of miles.
the Tigers BACKED IN to the BCSNCG only because other teams lost in the final weekend.
i'll rephrase the idea. based on lsu's s.o.s., LSU COULD AFFORD TO LOSE TO ARK AND STILL MAKE THE NCG. we didn't know it at the time and that's why people are saying lsu backed in, even though there is no such thing
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:00 pm to drizztiger
quote:i'll keep repeating this; just because i offer alternatives to the negatigers doesn't mean i'm a miles apologist. that point is probably too subtle for rantards to understand
It was a member of the "sunshine pumper" crowd
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:02 pm to drizztiger
quote:you don't even realize what you're saying is a contradiction. backed in means you didn't deserve it. look at the definitions people are offering:
we both backed in AND were the most deserving team.
didn't take care of business
needed luck
had to have other teams lose
as if any of those mean anything
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:07 pm to drizztiger
quote:if one team gets to change the outcome of a game so that they can say "we took care of business" then so do all the others and your point is invalidated
If we had beaten Arkansas
quote:and ALL the other teams in college football who controlled their own destiny lost. so what's your point?
we lost that game and no longer controlled our own destiny
quote:no it is not. it's ignoring the rest of the season to criticize miles
That is backing in
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:10 pm to bfniii
quote:
you don't even realize what you're saying is a contradiction. backed in means you didn't deserve it.
They're only mutually exclusive in your limited scope of thinking.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:12 pm to MC123
quote:this is one of the most pointless statements. any year there isn't an undefeated team, this is true. even when there is an undefeated team, they had to have help in the s.o.s. dept. things that were beyond their control. therefore, everyone backs in every year and there is still no such thing as backing in.
LSU only got into that game because other teams lost.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:16 pm to drizztiger
quote:completely, absolutely wrong. they got in because of their BODY OF WORK, which was superior to usc's. period. the bcs took into account THE ENTIRE SEASON. in other words, okla could afford to lose that game and still get in. their performance in the big12cg was irrelevant. we just didn't know it at the time.
In 2003, OU clearly backed into the BCSCG though by losing the Big 12 CG
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:17 pm to bfniii
quote:No, it specifically validates my point.
if one team gets to change the outcome of a game so that they can say "we took care of business" then so do all the others and your point is invalidated
quote:They allowed LSU to back in.
and ALL the other teams in college football who controlled their own destiny lost. so what's your point?
quote:I haven't criticized Miles once in this thread. In fact I emphatically stated that Miles led teams in 2005 and 2007 did not back into SECCGs. And if I was ignoring the rest of the season, then I certainly wouldn't say LSU deserved to be in the BCSCG which I have done repeatedly.
no it is not. it's ignoring the rest of the season to criticize miles
Again, you're here to argue and argue only. Unfortunately, you're ill equipped to handle anything besides absolute agreement. The smoke emanating from your ears is the idea that I both agree and disagree with you at the same time.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:18 pm to bfniii
quote:
their performance in the big12cg was irrelevant.
Awesome
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:18 pm to bfniii
You had one of the top two resumes in 2007.
This was because teams like West Va and Missouri lost late. Therefore, you "backed in".
I don't get how you don't understand that.
This was because teams like West Va and Missouri lost late. Therefore, you "backed in".
I don't get how you don't understand that.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:20 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
quote:no, it doesn't. you're excluding lsu's results in relation to everyone else's.
You had two losses. That shows how lucky you were
quote:then it's impossible for them to have backed in. luck is completely subjective and just one factor among many. no way to quantify it at all
LSU had the 2nd best resume
quote:you're taking the '07 team out of context to prove a flawed point.
But put the 2007 LSU resume in any other year under the BCS, and it's not one of the top two, and you're not in the NCG
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:22 pm to drizztiger
quote:how about responding to my points specifically instead of posturing. i've pointed out specifically how they absolutely are mutually exclusive. the main problem is you're operating from some hindu version of "backing in" where it doesn't really mean what everyone thinks it means.
They're only mutually exclusive in your limited scope of thinking.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:23 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
quote:
You had one of the top two resumes in 2007.
This was because teams like West Va and Missouri lost late. Therefore, you "backed in".
I don't get how you don't understand that.
Rantards being rantards. Objectivity isn't in his vocabulary. Nor is common sense.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:24 pm to bfniii
quote:
i've pointed out specifically how they absolutely are mutually exclusive.
No, in fact you haven't at all.
You dismissed the idea, for sure, but without any thought or explanation.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:25 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
quote:
LSU had the 2nd best resume (before the NCG) in 2007. They deserved to be in the NCG.
But put the 2007 LSU resume in any other year under the BCS, and it's not one of the top two, and you're not in the NCG.
That is exactly the point here - No one is trying to deny this.
In 2007 in spite of the 2 losses - LSU was the best team.
In 2003 in spite of 1 loss - LSU was the best team.
In 1958 with no loss - LSU was the best team.
Each year is different.
In 2004 Auburn had no losses but they couldn't get into the Title game.
Therefore claiming 1-loss, 2-losses or no loss as criteria or lack of criteria for not going to the Title game is illogical because the situation and circumstances changes each year.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:26 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
quote:dang. it's unbelievable that i can make a specific point for pages and some people still don't get it.
This was because teams like West Va and Missouri lost late. Therefore, you "backed in
lsu could afford to lose to ark based on their BODY OF WORK. we didn't know it at the time. there is no such thing as backing in.
two specific points:
1. any year when there are no undefeated teams, EVERYONE NEEDS HELP IN THE FORM OF OTHER TEAMS LOSING. therefore everyone backs in every year. therefore there is no such thing as backing in
2. even when there is an undefeated team, they still need help in the form of s.o.s. case in point, auburn '04
that covers all the bases. since everyone needs help every season, does backing in really have any meaning? no.
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