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re: people, stop with the "backing into the ncg" garbage

Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:13 am to
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
18544 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:13 am to
quote:

I like the old one about never trusting a creepy looking bald man who has a son in the Tulane band.



It's a daughter.

You just can't get it right on ANYTHING, can you?
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32737 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:14 am to
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people, stop with the "backing into the ncg" garbage
It wasn't JUST luck, but as with all of Miles' teams, they have to lose a few to win a few. The teams typically look worse towards the end of the season, lose a few games, and then win big bowl games or NC's. I wouldn't say that was just luck, but it took a combination of factors to get in the NC. It's just a specific characteristic of Les Miles coached teams. They don't finish the regular season well, and tend to look poorly coached and not crisp at the end of the season, then redeem themselves when their back is against the wall in a bowl game. I don't know why Miles lovers can't just accept this as a personality trait of his teams, and quit crying about someone pointing it out or complaining about it. It is what is is.
This post was edited on 12/21/09 at 11:27 am
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:16 am to
The original poster has a very valid point. Too many people here HATE Miles so much that they have to criticize him for winning a fricking national title.

LSU, despite 2 losses, was the best team in the country that year. To the point that they were a unanimous national champion (except in the eyes of their own fans). To me that is a pretty sad statement about the mindset of LSU fans.

Miles has done plenty to garner very fair criticism, and I don't think fans should be satisfied with the last 2 seasons, but to call him out for a NC is just typical bush league LSU fans.

And don't fool yourself. Miles didn't back into his NC any more than Saban did. So if Miles only got his by pure luck then so did Nicky
Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7681 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:17 am to
PLEASE excuse this cut/paste re rant...

morons and ranturds who just can't let it go.

i counsel people to give me $20.00 everytime they continue w/ a resentment. you owe me $20.00 if you want to let it go.

coaches and positive people cannot live healthy productive lives carrying resentments.

while watching these other bowl games, i see lots of mistakes (read: LOTS OF MISTAKES) and i am sooo grateful for les miles. sure, he makes mistakes, but i forgive him as i forgive you.

we got beat by two heismans, the #1 and #4 teams in the whole fricking country, not only to mention the S.E.C.!!
COM'ON, what if the ref had given us 2 seconds (or what we deserved...3seconds) after the tolliver catch.

i mean, you can keep beating the dead horse, or you can bring up all the other mistakes that we made (especially during our wins.)

"Misery loves company" is a popular saying b/c it is true. the negaturds and ranturds just reenforce their own low self esteems with these rants.

i'm on my way to so. cal for the holidays, and i am damn proud to wear my colors. esp just to watch the usc turds eat crow.

reality is real.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32737 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:24 am to
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Seems like you guys are arguing just to argue.
It's true because bfinnii starts a thread where he takes absolutes to try to discredit someone else's arguements, and then there is no reasoning in between, only his absolutes are acceptable. Then the thread goes on for7 pages while he argues his absolutes, and then someone else on the opposing side argues their absolutes, and no one agrees on anything.

The 2007 was LUCKY to get into the NC game because of other teams losing, but they were NOT LUCKY to win the game and be crowned BCS National Champions because they beat the snot out of OSU on the field where it counts.

The point, as always, with Les Miles coached teams, was that it was NOT NECESSARY to be lucky, we were good enough to not lose vs. Arky and never even have to depend on other teams in front of us to lose. But Les Miles never does anything the EASY way, he has to do it the hard way. He must lose first to then get fired up enough to win. His teams have to look bad first, then get their backs against the wall and come out fighting to look good. Miles teams do not finish well, and they do not maintain their lofty rankings well at all. FACT.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:31 am to
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The point, as always, with Les Miles coached teams, was that it was NOT NECESSARY to be lucky, we were good enough to not lose vs. Arky and never even have to depend on other teams in front of us to lose.


Replace Miles with Saban and Arky with Florida (coached by Zook) and you have the situation for 2003. 7-19 at home.

We had to rely on hawaii and co to get into the NC game.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81329 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:34 am to
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Replace Miles with Saban and Arky with Florida (coached by Zook) and you have the situation for 2003. 7-19 at home.

We had to rely on hawaii and co to get into the NC game.


then what game can you replace the Kentucky game with in 2003?
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:35 am to
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Replace Miles with Saban and Arky with Florida (coached by Zook) and you have the situation for 2003. 7-19 at home. We had to rely on hawaii and co to get into the NC game.


Perhaps I'm wrong and maybe you can correct me. But if my rantard memory serves me, Saban never lost to Florida or any other team. In fact I think in the 5 years he coached here, his record was 150-0 and the average score of all the games was LSU 105 Opponant -17
This post was edited on 12/21/09 at 11:36 am
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
61222 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:42 am to
quote:

I like the old one about never trusting a creepy looking bald man who has a son in the Tulane band.




Jesus Christ Max, could your dick be any smaller?
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:44 am to
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then what game can you replace the Kentucky game with in 2003?



So now we have changed the parameters from never needing a team ahead of us to lose and other teams to change the BCS points to include

"it should not be a 2 loss season"? What does two losses have to do with it when all teams in 2007 had it and we were the best?

Isnt that the whole point of the championship - first among equals.

It is naive to equate two seasons and compare the losses in one with that in another.

It is likely that the top 5 teams in say 2004 could have beaten the #1 teams from 1996-2000. But because they were all playing in the same year -only one team could be #1 and the others had to settle for #2 - #5.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:47 am to
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I think you just set the record for most posts in one thread. Holy shite! We get the point. Wait, I think this was meant for your other thread that you, also, beat to death.
so, let me get this right, rantards get to perpetuate ridiculous myths all they want but when resonable fans try to interject some rationality, that's unacceptable. if you don't want to read it, don't click on the thread
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81329 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:52 am to
well i could be you
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32737 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:53 am to
quote:

Replace Miles with Saban and Arky with Florida (coached by Zook) and you have the situation for 2003. 7-19 at home.

We had to rely on hawaii and co to get into the NC game.
But now you're deflecting in order to try to make your point, I didn't mention Saban or 2003, and don't care about him when trying to make Les Mile's arguments. Miles' weaknesses are so glaringly obvious, they stand on their own and don't require a comparison to Saban.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81329 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:57 am to
quote:

It is naive to equate two seasons and compare the losses in one with that in another.


weren't you the one doing this? If you replace this with that you equal 2003 and stupid meanie Saban was I believe your equation. And, yes, 2 losses is worse than 1.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:00 pm to
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But now you're deflecting in order to try to make your point, I didn't mention Saban or 2003, and don't care about him when trying to make Les Mile's arguments. Miles' weaknesses are so glaringly obvious, they stand on their own and don't require a comparison to Saban.


I was trying to make a comparison with a known standard.

Popular Presumption (maybe fact) : Saban is the best coach in college football today.

Saban was the previous LSU coach and led us to an NC.

I am trying to make the comparison that the same "luck" was needed in order to get to the national championship title game and the similar goof ups happened during the season.

I could make similar comparisons about other coaches and programs but given that this is lsu- the saban example was the closest and easiest.


I rejoice in both the titles/seasons and thank both the coaches.

Therefore I find it illogical that we are differentiating between the two seasons and titles.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

Again, the rest of the world thought LSU was extremely lucky to get into the game vs Ohio State after the 2007 season


By "rest of the world" do mean the fans of the other schools that had a shot?

Under your "rules" what team should have played OSU in the NC?
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:17 pm to
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only his absolutes are acceptable
your job is simple. quote something i said that is completely false or unreasonable. that's it. it has nothing to do with absolutes or opinions. and try to do something more mature than max's emoticons. they don't really address the issues and people can see that he has no substantive response.

quote:

The 2007 was LUCKY to get into the NC game because of other teams losing
as i said, if you're going to say that then THE ENTIRE SEASON IS NOTHING BUT LUCK. it's not. again, people are focusing on the ark game and forgetting lsu's resume over the course of the entire season. name the team(s) who had BETTER resumes than lsu.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:20 pm to
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It's just a specific characteristic of Les Miles coached teams. They don't finish the regular season well,


Signed,

2005 & 2006
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81329 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:25 pm to
Since national championships were voted on after the bowl games starting in the late 1960s, no team has ever won a national championship losing 2 games besides the 2007 LSU team. So, obviously getting into the national title game with 2 losses, including a loss in your last regular season game, is not at all luckier than any other championship.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81329 posts
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

Signed,

2005 & 2006


should 2005 really sign that document considering they got blown out in the SEC title game and barely beat a 4-7 Arkansas team at home?
This post was edited on 12/21/09 at 12:27 pm
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