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re: people, stop with the "backing into the ncg" garbage
Posted on 12/22/09 at 7:21 am to Number 3 is my Hero
Posted on 12/22/09 at 7:21 am to Number 3 is my Hero
This thread is still going... 
I guess the problem I have with 'backing in' is that it sounds like LSU did not deserve the 07 title, and it's what Bama fans say about it, not LSU fans. Yes, we were lucky that WVA and Miss lost, but in 03 we also needed Syracuse to beat Notre Dame, and no one says LSU backed into that title. All NCs require some kind of luck. LSU is no different, that was just the luck that LSU needed in 07 and 03.
It could be worse though, we could be Auburn, at least we have NCs to argue about whether or not we backed into.
I guess the problem I have with 'backing in' is that it sounds like LSU did not deserve the 07 title, and it's what Bama fans say about it, not LSU fans. Yes, we were lucky that WVA and Miss lost, but in 03 we also needed Syracuse to beat Notre Dame, and no one says LSU backed into that title. All NCs require some kind of luck. LSU is no different, that was just the luck that LSU needed in 07 and 03.
It could be worse though, we could be Auburn, at least we have NCs to argue about whether or not we backed into.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 7:44 am to Chimlim
The term "backed in" insinuates that we didnt deserve to be there, which is completely false.
And for some reason the Miles bashers use this term repeatedly to try to knock him down and cheapen his NC season by insinuating that LSU didnt deserve to be there. Its pretty pathetic.
We all know we got lucky, but unless you run the table you need some luck. Its that simple.
And for some reason the Miles bashers use this term repeatedly to try to knock him down and cheapen his NC season by insinuating that LSU didnt deserve to be there. Its pretty pathetic.
We all know we got lucky, but unless you run the table you need some luck. Its that simple.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 7:53 am to Choctaw
To run the table you also need a shite ton of luck.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:33 am to bfniii
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since you are having trouble grasping the most basic aspect of college football, i don't think you should make this statement of other people
quote:You've argued yourself into a pretzel in this thread, turning a point over and over and analyzing it 5 different ways, each time anew to match your most current argument. Both Drizz and I, and a few others, have explained it to you 900 fricking times already and you still are too dense to understand it, so this is my last post to you.
bfniii
-LSU DESERVED THE NATIONAL frickING TITLE IN 2007 FOR THE LAST TIME YOU IDIOT, NO ONE DISPUTES THAT.
-LSU got lucky because teams that should have won and been selected on selection day LOST and this cleared the way for a #7 team to jump all the way to #2, this is LUCKY, it was not by LSU's doing that this event happened, it was by the luck of other teams not winning. It is irrelevant if it happens to other teams every year or not, the argument is not about other teams, it's about LSU and this happened to LSU and it was luck. If it happened to another team it was luck for them as well. It also has NOTHING to do with who was coach at the time. If it happened in 2003, then so be it, it did and I'm glad.
-The term "backed in", seems to be the dispute here, I personally choose not to use that term, but if you want to use it with a qualifier, as if to say, "they deserved it but it required a bit of luck and some last minute reshuffling of the top 10", then OK I can live with that. If you use the term in a way to diminish the title or say LSU didn't deserve it, then I respectfully disagree.
You are re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic in this thread, as you continue to argue weak and immaterial points over and over, while your ship is slowly sinking. Just accept that fact and move on, and kill this fricking thread.
This post was edited on 12/22/09 at 9:35 am
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:45 am to bfniii
quote:The teams that play well about 80% of the time, win most if not all of their games, and get to conference title games and NC games. From our conference that would be Bama and Florida. LSU looked disorganized in about 80% of their games, did not contend for any titles, and won most of their games. They pass 1 out of 3 tests. Do you really need to have this explained to you?
name the team(s) that look like this and for how long do you expect them to look this way?
quote:good grief....I would say here that you are arguing like a liberal, but that would make me and the other liberals look bad. You sound weak and ineffective in this argument.
once again ignoring things like player execution, environment/weather, officiating, injuries, scheduling, team chemistry all in the name of blaming the coach
quote:By definition, CFB is a circuitous route by virtue of not having a playoff system, you just defined it you idiot. do you always argue yourself into circles?
there is no circuitous route. it's just college football. it's the way the entire season plays out.
This post was edited on 12/22/09 at 9:46 am
Posted on 12/22/09 at 10:43 am to Choctaw
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What's a shame is that im on an LSU board, arguing with LSU "fans" who find it necessary to cheapen our '07 NC because they don't like the coach.
If you read this board regularly, you wouldn't be surprised. I think if most here had a choice between Miles staying at LSU, winning 5 more SEC titles and 2 more NCs or LSU going 0-24 for the next 2 years and Miles getting fired they would choose choice 2.
That's really what this entire thread boils down to: Those that are happy we won a title and those that hate Miles so much they actually hate that LSU won a title with him as coach.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 10:51 am to Choctaw
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The term "backed in" insinuates that we didnt deserve to be there
Yes and it's not surprising that the ones most demanding in this tread that the "backed in" or "lucky" label be applied to the LSU 07 national title are also the ones who find the most reasons to bash Miles.
I dislike the "backed in" label, no matter which team it is applied to, cause it lacks both class and good sportsmanship. Once any season starts there are hundreds of plays made by 10's of different players in any number of games which move a team toward any preseason goal. That goal is reached or not reached by every play made or not made in every game played and not just by one play or one game.
NO Team gets to a national title game cause it backed into it. It gets there cause of every play a player made during the season and every game the players won with their efforts during the season helped to earn the teams right to be in that game.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 11:48 am to memphis tiger
quote:Not really, not for me anyway. In fact, I loved and defended Miles as much as anyone throughout that '07 year. It's only been recently (middle of '08) that I've felt he does not deserve (or is qualified to be) LSU's head coach. His actions, not my opinion, have created this situation. My belief that we got lucky in '07 has absolutely nothing to do with my thoughts on Miles, it's just a cold, hard fact. I thought it before my opinion of Miles actually changed.
That's really what this entire thread boils down to: Those that are happy we won a title and those that hate Miles so much they actually hate that LSU won a title with him as coach.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 11:51 am to Lonnie4LSU
quote:I think this is a reflection of people being realists and not sunshine pumpers more than anything.
Yes and it's not surprising that the ones most demanding in this tread that the "backed in" or "lucky" label be applied to the LSU 07 national title are also the ones who find the most reasons to bash Miles
This post was edited on 12/22/09 at 11:52 am
Posted on 12/22/09 at 12:06 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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Not really, not for me anyway. In fact, I loved and defended Miles as much as anyone throughout that '07 year. It's only been recently (middle of '08) that I've felt he does not deserve (or is qualified to be) LSU's head coach.
So in a matter of 6 or 7 games after a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, you thought he should be fired. Ho...lee...shite.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:16 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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I think this is a reflection of people being realists and not sunshine pumpers more than anything.
Pardon me, but not being able to enjoy the success or note the effort required to be the 13th ranked team in the nation who is preparing to play on New Years Day for a shot at a Top 10 ranking, the 4th in 5 yrs, has very little to do with being a "realists" and more with being a sour puss. imo
Posted on 12/22/09 at 3:39 pm to Choctaw
quote:No, as usual you pull out the old "fired" rhetoric. Where have I said in this thread that he should be fired? In fact, I have said all along that he won't be fired (but only because of his contract IMO). I believe that if LSU could find a way to do it without losing shite tons of money, they would ease him out, and I wouldn't lose any sleep over that.
So in a matter of 6 or 7 games after a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, you thought he should be fired.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 3:40 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:After watching the clusterfrick that was on the field last year, and then another year of bumbling and missed opportunities this year, how could one not be sour?
Pardon me, but not being able to enjoy the success or note the effort required to be the 13th ranked team in the nation who is preparing to play on New Years Day for a shot at a Top 10 ranking, the 4th in 5 yrs, has very little to do with being a "realists" and more with being a sour puss. imo
Posted on 12/22/09 at 4:00 pm to OFWHAP
the unranked team that we lost to in 2007 is that the same team that has 3 running backs in the NFL I believe 2 went in the first round
Posted on 12/22/09 at 4:07 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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Where have I said in this thread that he should be fired?
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I've felt he does not deserve (or is qualified to be) LSU's head coach.
You dont have to say the word "fired". I know what you meant....and only 6-7 games after a NC.
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In fact, I have said all along that he won't be fired (but only because of his contract IMO)
Do you honestly believe the only reason he's not going to be fired after this year is because of his contract? Jesus Christ.
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I have said all along that he won't be fired
Saying that he won't be fired and saying that he shouldn't be fire are two completely different things.
This post was edited on 12/22/09 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 12/22/09 at 4:18 pm to freakazoid
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the unranked team that we lost to in 2007 is that the same team that has 3 running backs in the NFL I believe 2 went in the first round
Kentucky?
Posted on 12/22/09 at 4:51 pm to Paul_LSU_passion
Think objectively who has the ring and the crystal ball arse hole Take off the anti Miles glasses. Who has more ten win seasons in Tigertown. A win is a win. Look who is kicking arse in recruiting again despite all of your negativism. Be happy and stop looking for crap.
Posted on 12/27/09 at 10:48 pm to drizztiger
quote:exactly the answer i thought i would get; IGNORING THE ENTIRE SEASON UP TO THAT POINT. you're blaming miles for losing that game but not realizing that miles did enough to get into the ncg and all the other coaches who could have seized the opportunity FAILED. therefore, miles failed less than everyone else except tressel and miles more than made up for it head to head
LSU was ranked #1 in the nation prior to Arkansas. Seizing that opportunity and then the opportunity in the SECCG is controlling your own destiny
you fail
Posted on 12/27/09 at 10:52 pm to LJBurton
quote:i listed simple, direct statements and questions, most of which get responded to with personal attacks. but keep on blaming me
I'm just amazed at what a self-righteous know it all turd you are
quote:because rantards don't answer the questions, at least not in the first 9 pages. and reasonable is definitely up for debate as this thread ought to be proof of
Clearly people have made some pretty reasonable statements in this thread, but you won't concede a fricking inch
quote:this is exactly what i'm talking about. i've already addressed this point but here you are repeating it and then calling me names. get a clue
By virtue of them losing 2 games, they, therefore, had to rely more on the fortune of others than any other NC team in history
Posted on 12/27/09 at 10:59 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:totally, absolutely false. you are ignoring the fact that lsu had to be in that position to begin with, specifically meaning winning a certain number of games with their respective s.o.s. in that respect, lsu took care of business.
it was not by LSU's doing that this event happened, it was by the luck of other teams not winning
the part that was out of lsu's hands is THE SAME FOR EVERY TEAM THAT MAKES THE NCG EVERY YEAR, namely what happens with all the other teams. but, people are turning the issue around to blame miles for not taking care of business which is complete crap.
i'm sorry you aren't understanding how this works
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