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re: People say this game doesn't fall on coaching, but I disagree
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:39 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:39 pm to UpToPar
Nobody is even arguing that you don't need a bench. Of course we need depth. We don't have it. My argument is that you can't sit here and blame this loss on the coach because he can't somehow conjure up something that he doesn't have. Without any depth, he's managed to get his team in the dance and make them relevant. I think that's praise worthy.
This loss wasn't about his coaching in this game. It was about his best players failing to make big plays when they had to.
This loss wasn't about his coaching in this game. It was about his best players failing to make big plays when they had to.
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:42 pm to tenacious
Nobody has a problem with Jones's development of Tim Quarteman. Hell, I though he totally sucked last year. That guy improved big time. Where's the praise for his development?
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:42 pm to tenacious
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he can't somehow conjure up something that he doesn't have.
This is the problem. There's two possible reasons he doesn't have talent on the bench. He has failed to develop talented players, or he has failed to bring in talented players. I'm not asking for first team all americans on our bench. I just want 1 more competent big man. That's it. He doesn't have to be great, he doesn't even have to be good. He just has to eat up minutes, play solid D, and rebound. If we don't have 1 person that can do that on the bench, then that is an complete failure on the part of the coaching staff.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:44 pm to tenacious
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Nobody has a problem with Jones's development of Tim Quarteman. Hell, I though he totally sucked last year. That guy improved big time. Where's the praise for his development?
I agree, Quarterman was excellent the second half of the season and will be a huge piece for next year. That doesn't excuse our lack of depth down low.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:47 pm to UpToPar
Ok. You have a point about the bench. But that's not why this team lost the game tonight. They lost because they choked. They missed shots that every team knows they have to make to win. They missed shots that they practice. Please don't try to tell me that a major college program doesn't practice free throws. don't blame that on the coach.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:55 pm to tenacious
Practicing free throws and being taught proper free throw technique are two different things. If this was an isolated event, then okay, chalk it up to poor timing. However, free throw shooting has plagued this team all year. It's inexcusable for a team to be ranked 183 in FT percentage. That's not going to get it done. Hornsby shot over 90% from the line 2 years ago. This year, 78%.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:58 pm to UpToPar
Yep. You're right. It's the coach. It's all the coach. We missed 5 lay ups and 7 straight free throws because of the coach. I'm done.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:01 am to tenacious
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We missed 5 lay ups
Nothing to do with the coach.
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7 straight free throws because of the coach
Coach deserves some blame when this has been the norm all season.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:02 am to UpToPar
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Coach deserves some blame when this has been the norm all season.
Absolutely. Totally inconsistent, rarely can live up to the potential.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:05 am to UpToPar
Free throws are not on the coaches. These guys have been going to camps since 7th grade. They've played AAU ball, and have had the best coaching money can buy for a long time. They've been taught the fundamentals of shooting over and over again. I'm just not buying what you're selling about free throws. I think these players choked tonight. I think they failed to execute what they've been taught over and over again.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:08 am to tenacious
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They've been taught the fundamentals of shooting over and over again. I'm just not buying what you're selling about free throws. I think these players choked tonight. I think they failed to execute what they've been taught over and over again.
Well then they have failed to execute what they've been taught in more games than not. LSU has been a poor free throw shooting team all year, and they were a poor free throw shooting team last year with the exception of Stringer. At some point, the coach has to try something and change the trend. How do you explain Hornsby's FT % dropping nearly 15%?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:19 am to UpToPar
I say that Hornsby failed to execute free throws better this year than last. I certainly don't think its because of his coach. He knows how to shoot free throws by now. His 3 point percentages went up throughout the year. His coach told him to shoot more, and it served him and the team well. I just don't think what you're trying to say is true.
You can see Mickey overthinking those last 4 free throws. The moment was just too big for him and he wilted. It wasn't his coach's fault.
You can see Mickey overthinking those last 4 free throws. The moment was just too big for him and he wilted. It wasn't his coach's fault.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:25 am to tenacious
When an entire team "fails to execute" free throws on a consistent basis for 2 years, I would think you would begin to think, "hmm, maybe we need to do something about it." But what happens? Nothing. We watch the same shite over and over again. It's the same thing with inbound plays. We were terrible all year, but continue to run the same terrible plays. I'm betting that over 75% of our inbound passes from the baseline were the lob pass to the player breaking away from the goal.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:28 am to tigerpimpbot
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Martin disappearing late has been a major problem in the bad losses. He just didn't want the ball,
I noticed that too. In clutch situations at the end of games Martin would roam around at the top of the key looking aimless and not being aggressive toward the basket or in the paint. He's got to want the ball and take over the game to be successful.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:40 am to UpToPar
You got me, man. College basketball players can't be held responsible for making free throws. It's on the coach. I get it now. Thanks.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:44 am to tenacious
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You got me, man. College basketball players can't be held responsible for making free throws. It's on the coach. I get it now. Thanks.
Why do you think it's all or nothing? I never said none of the blame falls on the players. I just don't think that the coaches are free of any fault.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:45 am to tenacious
You contradicted yourself. 3 years of coaching in basketball in college does not equal 3 years of college football. Basketball turnover is much higher and football is lower. You can turnover an entire team, and most do, in college basketball. So this is JJs team.....don't kid yourself. If there is a player left..they most likely don't play much if at all. JJ go rid of Hickey for Gray and I see that as a failure in player analysis. The second half of games for LSU has been, on average, bad over the year. Free throws being an issue all year is something that a coach addresses...no change.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 2:49 am to ODoyleRulez
It doesn't fall on coaches. Jerrel Martin disappeared in the 2nd half like he does most games and Mickey got tired. We stopped playing defense and we lost.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 4:36 am to UpToPar
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Practicing free throws and being taught proper free throw technique are two different things. I
Posted on 3/20/15 at 4:37 am to ODoyleRulez
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JJ go rid of Hickey for Gray and I see that as a failure in player analysis
That isn't what happened
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