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re: O’s Legacy…Hero or Villain?
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:26 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:26 pm to Freauxzen
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a 4-star quarterback who couldn't see the field transfer, that's usually worth going after. Not a lot of deduction needed there.
He was coming off a broken thumb injury to his throwing hand. His other option was Cincinnati. Stop trying to rewrite history to suit your agenda.
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:26 pm to Solo Cam
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Solo Cam
You've gone to great lengths to list O's merits. It's like you just throw in the "It's time for him to go" to try to play both sides of this.
I don't know what "full credit" entails in your mind, but in my mind getting credit relies on being able to reproduce an outcome.
If you run a clinical trial trying to prove a hypothesis, and you have one aberrant positive outcome supporting your hypothesis amongst many outcomes that disprove it, every researcher would say your hypothesis is invalid.
2019 was a product of randomness, and deviates significantly from his pattern of performance. So why should he get credit for a random occurrence?
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:27 pm to Syntax
quote:The post with all the facts and the one where I said he should be fired?
Only a retarded mongrel or Ogre dick sucker would make a post like this. Which one are you? I'm betting both
Reading comprehension must be tough for a little guy like you.
I don’t want to be mean to anyone with a disability so I hope you have a good day finger painting and making macaroni pictures. Remember - don’t eat the glue little guy
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:32 pm to Goldrush25
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You've gone to great lengths to list O's merits. It's like you just throw in the "It's time for him to go" to try to play both sides of this.
I don't know what "full credit" entails in your mind, but in my mind getting credit relies on being able to reproduce an outcome.
Is it really that hard for you to understand:
Ed Orgeron should be credited with 2017, 2018 and 2019 where he was one of the best coaches in the country.
He should be fired for being one of the worst in 2020 and 2021.
That’s it
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If you run a clinical trial trying to prove a hypothesis, and you have one aberrant positive outcome supporting your hypothesis amongst many outcomes that disprove it, every researcher would say your hypothesis is without merit. 2019 was a product of randomness, and deviates significantly from his pattern of performance. So why should he get credit for a random occurrence?
I’m assuming you’re trying to sound intelligent by using an extensive vocabulary but being an engineer I love numbers so let’s use statistics and not emotions:
Between 2017, 2018 and 2019 Ed Orgeron had more top 10 wins than any coach in the country. He had more ranked wins than any coach in the country.
He won a Fiesta Bowl, Peach Bowl, National Title and SEC Title.
How random is a 3 year sample size?
He was great in his prime and should be credited for what he built. He has failed miserably since and should be terminated for his failures.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:34 pm to seabrisket
as a meathead that conned his way to the LSU head coaching job and was gifted a heisman winning qb and then shite the bed. similar to gene chizik in that regard.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:39 pm to Freauxzen
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Eh, or we remember that 2019 was all Aranda, Brady and Burrow and that O pretty much fell into the role.
If Brady and Burrow were here when he started sure.
Hires Brady. Recruited Burrow. Kept that 2017 class together that was a huge contributor to the championship.
Got Chase here after Miles had him going to Florida.
O had a lot to do with it, but how he got there was more trial and error than him having a plan or method that is repeatable.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:41 pm to seabrisket
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Will he be remembered as a hero or a villain?
We need to build a statue of him. With a plaque that reads "One of Us"
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:42 pm to Solo Cam
quote:those two years were great
He was great in his prime
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:42 pm to Solo Cam
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Between 2017, 2018 and 2019 Ed Orgeron had more top 10 wins than any coach in the country. He had more ranked wins than any coach in the country.
Yes, amongst those "Top 10" teams, we beat Miami who won 7 games that year, Auburn who won 8, and UCF who everyone knew was a fraud. Also let's not forget Troy, Mississippi St, and TAMU in that same time interval.
How many "top 10" or ranked wins did he get without a transcendent talent at QB?
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:43 pm to justice
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gifted a heisman winning qb
He recruited a 4 star QB with limited playing time coming off an injury to his throwing hand who had limited prospects.
Did you sleepwalk through 2019?? That was the entire gist of the Joe Burrow Heisman story, that he wasn’t in a good position but O and his staff saw great potential in him.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:44 pm to Goldrush25
quote:plus how many points did lsu score vs bama that year? 0 amazing year indeed
w many "top 10" or ranked wins did he get without a transcendent talent at QB?
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:45 pm to Havoc
quote:thank god for bill busch and for aranda for hiring busch or we might have missed him.
Did you sleepwalk through 2019?? That was the entire gist of the Joe Burrow Heisman story, that he wasn’t in a good position but O and his staff saw great potential in him.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:47 pm to Havoc
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That was the entire gist of the Joe Burrow Heisman story, that he wasn’t in a good position but O and his staff saw great potential in him.
We were headed into that season with a horrible QB situation. If O had any capacity to determine great potential at QB he would have had a record of finding more than one that could play at the next level. Not #1 overall, just find one more that gets drafted.
We needed someone ready and Burrow fit the bill. Each was exactly what the other needed.
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:54 pm to Solo Cam
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O hired Brady
After Ensminger found him and told O to make his mark on the paperwork.
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O promoted E
A guy that didn’t want the job and most people feel to this day wasn’t qualified for it and didn’t do a very good job at it until he found a guy that could help his offense take the next step.
Also note use of the word “promote”, not found or hired.
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O brought in Burrow when everyone else passed
Do people like you honestly not know how the Burrow situation came about or do you just lie hoping the people you’re talking to don’t know
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O recruited and signed: Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Terrace Marshall, Damien Lewis, Sahdiq Charles, Ed Ingram, Thad Moss, Klavon Chaisson, Rashard Lawrence, Glenn Logan, Patrick Queen, Jacob Phillips, Derek Stingley, Jacoby Stevens, Cade York and Grant Delpit.
Bolded all the players committed/signed/played before O became even interim HC.
And even if you want to credit him for all those guys, without Burrow none of them take O to a championship in 2019.
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You’re also a jackass if you think the only reason we won was because of 2 coordinator and a QB.
“Only” reason? That’s not how it works, obviously. But take Burrow or Aranda away and you’re fortunate to have a NY6 Bowl team, and nowhere near a championship team or undefeated historic season.
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He gets credit for 2019. Obviously and anyone who says “he fell into it” then why the frick has no one else ever fallen into that season?
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Y’all act like he hasn’t produced top 5 classes every single year too.
The past two seasons have been full of players from top 5 recruiting classes too. Irrelevant without the “two coordinators and a QB” you shrug off earlier in the post
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:57 pm to Goldrush25
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We were headed into that season with a horrible QB situation.
Myles Brennan
Justin McMillan-
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According to 247Sports, McMillan was a 3-star prospect who ranked as the No. 35 dual-threat quarterback in the Class of 2015 when he committed to LSU.
Lowell Narcisse
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was listed as a 4-star recruit and the No. 9 dual-threat quarterback in the Class of 2017 by 247Sports.
You're completely ignorant of everything.
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:59 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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O brought in Burrow when everyone else passed
Do people like you honestly not know how the Burrow situation came about or do you just lie hoping the people you’re talking to don’t know
Where else was JB looking to go?
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:59 pm to Goldrush25
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If O had any capacity to determine great potential at QB he would have had a record of finding more than one that could play at the next level. Not #1 overall, just find one more that gets drafted.
Ding ding ding.
Getting so particular about "his abilities" and the whole O myth will unravel with the quickness.
O has already proven that 2019 had little to do with his program building abilities. Literally. We barely have a program with any level of consistency at this point.
What O can't do is replicate what he did into consistently winning seasons because - O doesn't really have a plan at all.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 3:01 pm to Havoc
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Myles Brennan
Justin McMillan
Lowell Narcisse
What are these guys doing now?
Since O is such a great evaluator of QB talent can I get one of his recruits to get drafted? Just one. You can go back to the OM days.
I'll take your answer off the air, thanks.
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 3:03 pm to Goldrush25
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Yes, amongst those "Top 10" teams, we beat Miami who won 7 games that year, Auburn who won 8, and UCF who everyone knew was a fraud. Also let's not forget Troy, Mississippi St, and TAMU in that same time interval.
How many "top 10" or ranked wins did he get without a transcendent talent at QB?
Hahaa
What about Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida and Texas.
A&M? You mean the team he’s 3-2 against??
You talking about the transcendent QB that he brought to LSU, that one?
Posted on 10/14/21 at 3:05 pm to Goldrush25
quote:Hahahahhahaha literally none of those committed when O was the head coach
What are these guys doing now?
Since O is such a great evaluator of QB talent can I get one of his recruits to get drafted? Just one.
I'll take your answer off the air, thanks.
lol you fricking clown. He got Lowell and Brennan to sign when he was an interm just to keep that class together.
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