re: Orgeron: It's going to look different, because it is different

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Let them rave on. They won't have much to talk about after LSU goes to Austin and spanks one of their fairest of fair-haired-boys - Tom Herman

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I just hope that none of them expect to get on here and celebrate any victories this fall.

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What possible metric can you point to to prove that O is an upgrade over Miles

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You can’t possibly compare an 11 year career to a guy starting year 3. However these 2 things can both be true. O is doing better in some areas than Miles was the last 3-4 years of his tenure but may not be better than Miles at his best

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Let them rave on. They won't have much to talk about after LSU goes to Austin and spanks one of their fairest of fair-haired-boys - Tom Herman.

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The only one who is obsessed with Herman is you Ree

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You can’t possibly compare an 11 year career to a guy starting year 3.

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So let's just confine it to their first 3 years at LSU.

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O is doing better in some areas than Miles was the last 3-4 years of his tenure but may not be better than Miles at his best

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Such as...

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So let's just confine it to their first 3 years at LSU.

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The program was in a much better state Miles first 3 years so it’s an unfair comparison.

The better comparison is Miles last 3-4 years to Os first 3-4. Overall it’s basically a wash but this year is the key. If they go at least 10-2 in the regular season, something Miles last did in 2012 then you can say it’s an improvement if O falls short of then, then you can say it’s flatlined

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Such as..

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He’s upgraded the analysts, the recruiting looks to be better than post 2012 (please note better doesn’t mean the overall recruiting under Miles was bad but you have to be willful ignorant to not see that it had slipped, ever so slightly, Miles last few years. He at least appears to be modernizing the offense. And also let’s not harp on 1 season when they clearly had some talent deficiencies, it doesn’t matter who was “at fault” either. It just was

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The program was in a much better state Miles first 3 years so it’s an unfair comparison.

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Based on what objective metrics? You can't just feelings as O pumpers are wont to do.

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The better comparison is Miles last 3-4 years to Os first 3-4.

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So compare what should be O's best to what was Miles' worst, and the grounds for which he was fired. That seems totally intellectually honest and not cherry picking at all.

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the recruiting looks to be better than post 2012 (please note better doesn’t mean the overall recruiting under Miles was bad but you have to be willful ignorant to not see that it had slipped, ever so slightly, Miles last few years.

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That sounds fine, but the objective rankings disagree.

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He at least appears to be modernizing the offense.

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His 2017 and 2018 offenses were worse than Miles' offenses even at the end of his tenure, again something that is backed up by objective data and statistics. Or does hiring one low-level offensive assistant qualify as "modernizing" the offense?

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If they go at least 10-2 in the regular season, something Miles last did in 2012 then you can say it’s an improvement if O falls short of then, then you can say it’s flatlined

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The thing is that this particular season lines up for better than 10-2. We're favored in all but one game, and have a senior QB, upgrades at RB, as well as a more experienced o-line with a very manageable home/away schedule.

10-2 would be a bit of a letdown and legitimate cause for concern. If we cannot legitimately challenge for a playoff spot in these favorable conditions, then what will it take?

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Nope, link any post where I said anything of the sort. you have to keep making up lies like this to support your false narrative.

If other more optimistic posters were smart they should disavow you, that you are such a biased O pumper speaks badly of O because you are nothing but a troll

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There are no rules when I speak to lying little bitches like you. You have said numerous times that I am Tiger Ree with nothing but your pin-headed notions to back it up - you are a demented fool living in your own delusional land of make-believe.

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I would say the net effect is that the coach now is the same as Miles was at the end of his tenure. He's nowhere near the 2005-11 Miles

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I basically agree but it is a work in progress. We’ll get a better idea after this year. If we finish 10-2 and the recruiting class finishes strong, then that would be a sign of improvement.

Why do people think everything has to be exactly the same at all points in time? Whether we liked the hire or not we have to let it play out. Of course there can be legit concerns, raise them WHEN they happen is fine. Hammering away at the same old mistakes gets tiresome.