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re: Orgeron: It's going to look different, because it is different
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:31 am to bencoleman
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:31 am to bencoleman
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:35 am to bencoleman
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You go too far on here.
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bencoleman
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:40 am to The First Cut
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If the expectations for a firm in a given year is $6MM in earnings and the firm has a $9MM earnings year, does the board of directors sack the CEO? Of course they don'
The only reason the expectations were low was because of 0 himself. So if you want to give him credit for exceeding the expectations, you need to acknowledge he's the reason they were lowered. You can't have it both ways.
Further, you now need to define your actual expectation of him. My expectation last year was 10-2. I don't see how anyone could expect less than that this year considering all of the expected improvement. Are yall willing to set an actual expectation for him?
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:09 am to LNCHBOX
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The only reason the expectations were low was because of 0 himself.
LUNCHBOX you again show you just don't know anything about football. 2018 college football returning production
Team Off Ret Rank Def Ret Rank Total Return Rank
LSU 39% 124 57% 90 48% 122
LINK
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:13 am to The First Cut
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LUNCHBOX you again show you just don't know anything about football.
Stating the truth means I know nothing of football
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2018 college football returning production
Team Off Ret Rank Def Ret Rank Total Return Rank
LSU 39% 124 57% 90 48% 122
Ok great, we changed coordinators, so the offense wasn't going to be coming back the same regardless. Any low expectation for last year was directly attributable to the head coach. It's really not up for debate. You say you aren't an 0 pumper, but I can't think of time where you've allowed someone to criticize him.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:14 am to LNCHBOX
LSU has a new offense, a new starting quarterback, unproven running backs and an unusually challenging schedule even by SEC standards.
The Tigers’ goal is to improve on last year’s 9-4 record and challenge Alabama, Auburn and perhaps Texas A&M in the SEC West.
But with so many challenges, a move in the other direction is possible. In fact, ESPN’s Football Power Index computer foresees just that happening and predicts the Tigers will finish 6-6, which would put Ed Orgeron’s future as LSU head coach in doubt.
Says nothing about being 6-6 because of Orgeron.
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The Tigers’ goal is to improve on last year’s 9-4 record and challenge Alabama, Auburn and perhaps Texas A&M in the SEC West.
But with so many challenges, a move in the other direction is possible. In fact, ESPN’s Football Power Index computer foresees just that happening and predicts the Tigers will finish 6-6, which would put Ed Orgeron’s future as LSU head coach in doubt.
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Now, before we start firing up FireEdOrgeron.com and other such websites, let’s keep things perspective. Yes, there are questions to be answered this fall:
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1. Will Steve Ensminger’s West Coast offense be a better fit for the Tigers’ personnel — and Orgeron’s tastes — than Matt Canada’s multiple offense was?
2. Will the new starting quarterback — presumably but not automatically Myles Brennan — elevate the passing game?
3. Will the new featured running back, whoever he winds up being, be able to live up to the standard set and maintained by LSU runners for a long time?
4. Will the talented but somewhat youthful defense be able to play at a high level right out of the gate to mitigate the growing pains the offense figures to experience?
5. And what about that schedule? In addition to annual challenges against Alabama, Auburn and Florida, the Tigers open against Miami in Arlington, Texas, and Georgia pops onto the SEC schedule. Then throw in Jimbo Fisher’s ballyhooed arrival at Texas A&M.
A good team could lose to a bunch of those teams and we haven’t even mentioned Mississippi State, which blasted the Tigers last season.
So it’s reasonable to suspect LSU is more likely to flirt with bowl ineligibility than an SEC championship, but things are far from hopeless for the Tigers. In fact a 6-6 prediction is selling Orgeron and LSU short.
Says nothing about being 6-6 because of Orgeron.
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This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 9:15 am
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:16 am to LNCHBOX
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Ok great, we changed coordinators, so the offense wasn't going to be coming back the same regardless. Any low expectation for last year was directly attributable to the head coach. It's really not up for debate. You say you aren't an 0 pumper, but I can't think of time where you've allowed someone to criticize him.
You didn't read a thing. Having almost no returning offensive production has nothing to do with changing coordinators. And, again if you read, you'd know that's critical in CFB.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:17 am to The First Cut
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Says nothing about being 6-6 because of Orgeron.
I love that this number just keeps getting lower and lower. Very few said they expected 6 wins
The overwhelming majority was in the 7-9 win range. But hey, whatever helps you prop him up even more. Les had to replace most of his offense a few times, and never had expectations that low. It's really not hard to understand why if you allow yourself to be honest about it.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:17 am to LNCHBOX
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The overwhelming majority was in the 7-9 win range
link?
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:17 am to The First Cut
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You didn't read a thing. Having almost no returning offensive production has nothing to do with changing coordinators. And, again if you read, you'd know that's critical in CFB.
Any excuse to not lay blame on the head coach. Literally any.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:18 am to The First Cut
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link?
You want one link for an entire preseason discussion from here and nationally?
Never change.This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 9:19 am
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:18 am to The First Cut
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So it’s reasonable to suspect LSU is more likely to flirt with bowl ineligibility than an SEC championship, but things are far from hopeless for the Tigers. In fact a 6-6 prediction is selling Orgeron and LSU short
I guess that most of us predicting 10 wins were more examples of lowered expectations. This shows why the negas are such morons. They quickly latch onto to any narrative that throws the coaches into a bad light even if it's a false narrative.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:19 am to LNCHBOX
Hide from your rebutted stances, like Ricky does. Your legs were swiped from beneath you again.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:20 am to LNCHBOX
quote:. Whose expectations?
The only reason the expectations were low was because of 0 himself
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:21 am to The First Cut
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Hide from your rebutted stances, like Ricky does. Your legs were swiped from beneath you again.
You do realize that just claiming that you've won doesn't mean you have, right? You've done nothing to show that the expectations weren't attributable to the coach.
The only thing you've actually shown is that you were full of shite when you said you weren't an 0 pumper.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Whose expectations?
Everyone's.
inb4notmine, since that is the ridiculous comeback i'm sure you have tee'ed up. 10-2 was my expectation last year.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 9:24 am
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:23 am to The First Cut
The Moron's response is any excuse not to lay the blame on O. What blame? The team went 10 and 3. What blame is it that they want to be blamed?
Hell I'll go ahead and do it.
Damn you O you deserve this mystery blame that the negas want to pin on you so bad.
Hell I'll go ahead and do it.
Damn you O you deserve this mystery blame that the negas want to pin on you so bad.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:24 am to bencoleman
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The Moron's response is any excuse not to lay the blame on O. What blame? The team went 10 and 3. What blame is it that they want to be blamed?
Hell I'll go ahead and do it.
Damn you O you deserve this mystery blame that the negas want to pin on you so bad.
We're talking about the expectations going into the season, not what the record was.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:25 am to bencoleman
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I guess that most of us predicting 10 wins were more examples of lowered expectations
Weird how that works. We finished around what I expected. The offense was inexperienced as hell and we had a fairly tough conference schedule.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Weird how that works. We finished around what I expected. The offense was inexperienced as hell and we had a fairly tough conference schedule
Yet the negas are wanting to blame the coach for something. It just show they're intelligence or lack thereof.
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