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re: Oregon Talking Points

Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:51 am to
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:51 am to
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7. The sec isn't the best conference, they just win the NC because they might or might not have the one best team (which happened to be 4 diff teams now)


I count 5 teams, but maybe I don't know anything?

2010: Auburn
2009: Alabama
2008: Florida
2007: LSU
2006: Florida
2003: LSU
1998: Tennessee
Posted by TigerinSC
SOUTH CAROLINA
Member since Aug 2010
1757 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:53 am to
Buckeye 06, you are a douche! I don't post much but I do read a lot and EVERY post you make is absolutely gay! Are you still upset about the arse whipping in 07 or what? Why the hell are you even hanging around here?
Posted by GoDucks349
Westfir
Member since Jan 2011
420 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:56 am to
Ok, I'll take a run at this.........

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Oregon Talking Points


Just read some Oregon forums:
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1. LSU doesn't have Nick Fairly

True..... So? Fairly was a real head ache for the Ducks, we're glad we're not dealing with him again. Of course that doesn't mean LSU doesn't have equal or better talent that just remains to be seen. So this comment is a non-issue.

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2. Oregon will be the fastest team LSU's seen in a while (?? there's a reason analysts say that oregon reminds them of an SEC team...)

It's highly unlikely you've seen a team faster than the Ducks.

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3. JJ sucks


Sounds more like something I've read from LSU fans. JJ in my opinion was handicaped by the Crowton offense. He should be much better this year, personally scares the heck out of me.

4. LSU Interior line and LB are weak, thus will get ran all over

Love to see a link to a "credible poster" on this one.

5. Chip Kelly's brilliant masterminded new triple option scheme with secret pistol formations will be unstoppable! (wtf, seriously saw some stuff on this)

Calling BS here..... I've never seen a Oregon fan call Kelly's offense the "Triple Option". Someone fabricated this....... Eric?

Now for the more entertaining ones:
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6. It's easier to get into a bowl game in the SEC than PAC because you can schedule 4 ooc games in the SEC


I'll admit, one of the reasons I like the new PAC-12 format is it allows us to have another OOC game and that makes it much easier from a "math" stand point for more teams to be bowl eligible. 4 OCC wins plus 2 conference wins and you're "bowling". Couldn't do that under the PAC-10 format. So yes it's easier.

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7. The sec isn't the best conference, they just win the NC because they might or might not have the one best team (which happened to be 4 diff teams now)


Love to see this link.

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8. The game isn't on "swamp grass" and Oregon's speed will be amplified by the "astro turf"


True, and the fastest team has the advantage. If they are equally fast, it's even. The slower team get punished on a fast surface. A slow surface helps a slower team stay up.

9. My favorite!: The turf in Jerry World is "fast turf" (which only effects Oregon players I guess) -- whereas the NC turf slowed them down and gave Auburn an advantage.


See #8.
Posted by EricB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
1680 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 11:03 am to
Oregon speed would be up to par in the SEC, not an exception. Go ask Auburn. P.S. LSU has more team speed than oregon.

Id seriously ask you duck fans to do some critical thinking and ask yourselves, does a fast-tempo and a speed-set offense mean that you are actually "faster" than the conference known to the rest of the country as the fastest conference in the country.

Where do you think "speed kills" came from?
This post was edited on 8/10/11 at 11:05 am
Posted by LSU CWF8
Member since Feb 2011
1585 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 11:23 am to
Oregon fans are dillusional, just because they run a no huddle hurry to the line offense they are the fastest team give me a break, after they see LSU the biggest baddest fastest defense in the history of the Oregon program they will be humbled...
Posted by jmitc22
Brrrrr
Member since Jan 2007
1718 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 11:24 am to
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6. It's easier to get into a bowl game in the SEC than PAC because you can schedule 4 ooc games in the SEC


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I'll admit, one of the reasons I like the new PAC-12 format is it allows us to have another OOC game and that makes it much easier from a "math" stand point for more teams to be bowl eligible. 4 OCC wins plus 2 conference wins and you're "bowling". Couldn't do that under the PAC-10 format. So yes it's easier.


Your conclusion is premised on the assumption that OOC games are automatically easier than in conference games, and that being allowed to play more OOC games increases your chances of bowling.

LSU plays Oregon and WVU out of conference.

Last year we played NC and WVU

I'd say those are a bit more difficult than Vandy, and don't do anything to make it "easier" for an SEC team to get into a bowl.

Not to mention the SEC has 8 top 25 teams, and our conference schedule is tougher year in and year out.
Posted by GoDucks349
Westfir
Member since Jan 2011
420 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 11:28 am to
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P.S. LSU has more team speed than oregon.


Well thats your opinion and I have mine. I'm not sure we're faster than LSU and I'm not sure LSU is faster than Oregon. I do believe both are very fast talented teams. And that it's going to be a great game.

We've only played four SEC teams in recent years (3-1) and we have games coming up with Tenn at home and Georgia home and home. So trust me, we're more than ready to take on the SEC. Now it's all about winning the damn games. LSU will be a very stiff challenge.

Oh, and NO, fast pace and speed-set offenses isn't the same as FAST. It's what you can do when you ARE fast.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46220 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 11:31 am to
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I'm not sure we're faster than LSU


dont worry, youre not
Posted by GoDucks349
Westfir
Member since Jan 2011
420 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 12:44 pm to
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Your conclusion is premised on the assumption that OOC games are automatically easier than in conference games, and that being allowed to play more OOC games increases your chances of bowling.

LSU plays Oregon and WVU out of conference.

Last year we played NC and WVU


I agree with you completely on this. LSU, Tenn and Georgia do tend to play tougher OOC than most of the SEC.

Just a note on OOC the SEC since 2000 has won 51% of it's OOC games against BCS conference teams and 87% against non-BCS teams. The conference is 83-3 against the Sun Belt Conf. I'm sorry but that's 86 "paycheck games" to a conference that shouldn't be on the field with BCS teams.
Posted by EricB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
1680 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 12:58 pm to
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We've only played four SEC teams in recent years (3-1) and we have games coming up with Tenn at home and Georgia home and home. So trust me, we're more than ready to take on the SEC. Now it's all about winning the damn games. LSU will be a very stiff challenge.


I love how the SEC fields 8 Top 25 teams, and Oregon finds the 4 or 5 unranked teams to call their SEC matchups. That's like me playing against LSU's 5th string and telling people I beat LSU.

Just a note on OOC the SEC since 2000 has won 51% of it's OOC games against BCS conference teams and 87% against non-BCS teams. The conference is 83-3 against the Sun Belt Conf. I'm sorry but that's 86 "paycheck games" to a conference that shouldn't be on the field with BCS teams.

More than 3/4 of teams in the SEC would be expected to be 1 or 2 loss teams in the PAC.
Posted by NicoBlues
I eat frogs
Member since Dec 2009
15048 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 2:01 pm to
Those numbers get skewed by bowl games. Many years, SEC puts 9/10 teams in bowls. So some of our worst teams get paired up with some of the best teams in other conferences. Either way, the SEC feels we can schedule a cupcake here and there if our other games are @Alabama, auburn, Florida, Arkansas, @ Tennessee. Hell some of our bottom feeder teams are rapsinf traditional powers. See Miss St. Vs Michigan. I respect the ducks, but there is no way you have the speed in the trenches that we do. Sorry bud.

Eta: BTW I'm sure you're aware, but we are like 35-1 in ooc games. The one loss was a situation just like you said; bad field neutralized speed on the field.
This post was edited on 8/10/11 at 2:04 pm
Posted by 4ngel
East Coast
Member since May 2011
255 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 2:01 pm to
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I love how the SEC fields 8 Top 25 teams, and Oregon finds the 4 or 5 unranked teams to call their SEC matchups. That's like me playing against LSU's 5th string and telling people I beat LSU.


Yeah, because Oregon knew back in the early 2000's when they scheduled Tenn that they would suck in 2010, or that Georgia would drop off (and back out of the match up completely). God you're f*cking dumb.
Posted by GoDucks349
Westfir
Member since Jan 2011
420 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 2:18 pm to
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Those numbers get skewed by bowl games. Many years, SEC puts 9/10 teams in bowls. So some of our worst teams get paired up with some of the best teams in other conferences. Either way, the SEC feels we can schedule a cupcake here and there if our other games are @Alabama, auburn, Florida, Arkansas, @ Tennessee. Hell some of our bottom feeder teams are rapsinf traditional powers. See Miss St. Vs Michigan. I respect the ducks, but there is no way you have the speed in the trenches that we do. Sorry bud.

Eta: BTW I'm sure you're aware, but we are like 35-1 in ooc games. The one loss was a situation just like you said; bad field neutralized speed on the field.


Those numbers are for OOC games ONLY and do not include Bowl games. The discussion was about what a team can control in scheduling. Bowl games are outside of that.

Again, and I'll repreat it again and again, I do not have a bone to pick with LSU. It's this simple if you play in a tough conference like the SEC, and I think it's a very tough conference, and you can play 4 OOC games against the Sun or CUSA, you can have 4 auto wins and then only need two conference wins to become "bowl elibible". Now that the PAC-10 can schedule 4 instead of 3 OOC games they can do similar scheduling. That's ALL I'm getting at. This is a discussion from the original post. Nothing more.
Posted by NicoBlues
I eat frogs
Member since Dec 2009
15048 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 2:30 pm to
Then by all means.
Posted by Broham
Member since Feb 2005
18955 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 2:38 pm to
LSU kills Penn St. on a dry field. FACT
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26097 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 3:22 pm to
Right, we've never seen a faster team then the Ducks. Anyone remember who was on that 2008 Florida team?

Are we sure Oregon has Percy Harvin, Jeff Demps, Chris Rainey, Louis Murphy, Deonte Thompson, Will Hill, THE Cam Newton (FYI), Major Wright, Brandon James, I could go on and on and on and didn't even mention Tebow. If Oregon fans are wondering, check out this who's who of fast players that Florida put on the field. That line of reasoning is a joke. So, regardless you won't be the fastest team we've ever played even if you get Usain Bolt in camp. Just because you can't conceive of a bunch of fast teams, doesn't mean they didn't exist and we didn't play them. Oregon may be fast, but the SEC has teams that are fast ALL the time--not just every now and then.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13328 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 3:31 pm to
I doubt we are faster than Florida of '08. We are fast though.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
82961 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 3:32 pm to
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Tenn's depth at the time of the OU game was pathetic. It developed over the ye

Truth. Tenn actually was leading at the half and Oregon was shut down. Tenn eventually got tired, though...
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13328 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 3:33 pm to
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Truth. Tenn actually was leading at the half and Oregon was shut down. Tenn eventually got tired, though...


We were tied. However, don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26097 posts
Posted on 8/10/11 at 3:35 pm to
Always appreciate your honesty. And to your colleague GoDucks349, not only is it likely, as I just demonstrated we, in fact did. The SEC has teams like that all the time. You're new to the block, but look at the houses. They are all big in this neighborhood. You have a mansion in the PAC 10/12 trailer park. Your mansion is just a house in our hood. It took me 5 seconds to name a team with more speed. Some food for thought.
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