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re: My assessment of footbal schedule 2010

Posted on 4/14/10 at 4:42 pm to
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15685 posts
Posted on 4/14/10 at 4:42 pm to
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Miles is 51-15 in his 5 seasons at LSU


I tend to focus more on his SEC stats than his overall W-L record. When you do that, the picture isn't quite as pretty. When you throw in that he is a combined 1-8 against UF, Bama, Ole Miss, and Arky over the past 2 years, you can see why people are more than a little concerned about the direction that the program is heading.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 4/14/10 at 4:48 pm to
quote:

Miles is 51-15 in his 5 seasons at LSU.


Yes, he inherited a powerhouse and rode it for three years to a 34-6 record. Mike Archer inherited a lesser powerhouse and rode it for two years to a record of 18-5-1. Smoke Laval inherited a powerhouse and rode it for a few years to a couple of CWS appearances and at least one SEC title. Bad coaches can have good records for a while when they're handed a team with with ridiculous talent and program momentum.

But, if they're bad coaches, then inevitably the winning percentage starts going down, like it did for Archer in his 3rd and 4th years, for Laval in his last two or three years, and for Miles (albeit to a lesser degree) in his 4th and 5th. Miles may not be as bad as Archer, and he certainly inherited a hell of a lot more than Archer did, but neither of them was as good a coach as their early-year records seemed to indicate. Over a period of two (in Archer's case) or three (in Miles' case) years, the great teams they inherited eroded away with graduation, etc., and they were forced to rely on teams they BUILT THEMSELVES instead of having handed to them. In both cases, the results were disappointing. Archer's last two years were probably a good indicator of how we would have continued to perform if he had stayed. The same (or worse) is true of Miles.
Posted by Ray Ray Rodman
Florida
Member since Mar 2005
17654 posts
Posted on 4/14/10 at 5:02 pm to
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The same (or worse) is true of Miles.


I agree.

I think alot of fans either dont see how bad of coaching we have because they dont know any better or just refuse to believe it.

He is turning a Maserati into a Pinto....
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 4/14/10 at 5:20 pm to
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.lets see if anyone else could win.....when they lose their starting quarterback and then have to start 2 freshmen......


Teams lose their starting quarterbacks all the time. I would bet that the majority of regular starting quarterbacks in college football in any given year are in their 2nd year of starting or earlier. It's NORMAL to have a quarterback who hasn't started very much.

Besides, that would only explain 2008, if it explained anything. By 2009, with a whole season to develop someone, he should have been fine with a 2nd year starter just like the majority of teams have.
Posted by SouthernMan
Charlotte
Member since Nov 2008
1380 posts
Posted on 4/14/10 at 5:37 pm to
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Besides, that would only explain 2008, if it explained anything. By 2009, with a whole season to develop someone, he should have been fine with a 2nd year starter just like the majority of teams have.


JJ was NOT a second year starter, he was our second first year starter. Two starts at the end of his redshirt year do not make him a second year starter.

If JJ and the offense is not improved this year then you have a point but if you bring up the spring game to say JJ didn't develop then you just need to remove the 4LSU from your name.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85779 posts
Posted on 4/14/10 at 5:38 pm to
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Assuming the new starters are as good as the ones we lost, then yes, that's about the best you can say about our team. We have a "solid" defense. Not spectacular, not great, with a frustrating tendency to give up conversions on third and long or bend/break and give up a crucial late score (Alabama, Ole Miss, Penn State, Arkansas, Georgia), but "solid" enough not to give up 40-50 points to really good offenses. And that's what has to make up for one of the worst offenses in the country and a coach who is infamous for blunders in critical situations.

Our defense will be the most improved. Why do you think we recruit top recruits year in and year out? PP and Claiborne will be a force to reckon with. Sam montgomery is a stud and we have nevis and shep holding down the middle of the defense. Add in all the depth at safety and the dline and i dont see how you cant be excited to see this d flying around in Atlanta. The d was shite in 08 got better in 09 and dont see any reason it wont be better in 10.
This post was edited on 4/14/10 at 5:39 pm
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
986 posts
Posted on 4/14/10 at 6:02 pm to
I haven't read any other comments, so I apologize if someone else has had the same thoughts, but....you are definitely a "glass half empty" kind of guy, aren't you? Every comment was some variation of "Oh, God...a loss in this game would be terrible." Even Vandy...not a prediction that we will probably win, but instead, a comment on what a disaster it would be if we lost. I don't know...it just strikes me as kind of a strange way to look at things.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 4/14/10 at 6:17 pm to
best case is 14-0

likely is 10-2. equally likely is 9-3.

worst case is 2-10.


Bama is not some juggernaut and neither is Florida.
LSU may beat either or both. I understand Bama will be favored and probably so will Florida be, given its a road game.
Still, LSU is good enough to beat anyone if they click.


This post was edited on 4/14/10 at 6:18 pm
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 4/14/10 at 6:24 pm to
quote:

he is a combined 1-8 against UF, Bama, Ole Miss, and Arky over the past 2 years, you can see why people are more than a little concerned about the direction that the program is heading.


there is no direction pointed to by a record.

Arky had a great player when they won in OT.
Ole Miss was a LSU coaching blunder
UF was referees. The TD scored on a holding event. The FG after that happened after a fumble recovery which was not handled correctly. LSU should have been 3-3 and with the ball after the fumble.
Bama relied on foot scrape not being called correctly. Although it doesnt appear LSU could do ANYTHING after that, perhaps if they had the ball they would have been energized by the takeaway.
Posted by coachjude
roanoke
Member since Aug 2007
350 posts
Posted on 4/15/10 at 8:28 am to
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Posted by coachjude
roanoke
Member since Aug 2007
350 posts
Posted on 4/15/10 at 8:34 am to
quote:

I tend to focus more on his SEC stats than his overall W-L record. When you do that, the picture isn't quite as pretty. When you throw in that he is a combined 1-8 against UF, Bama, Ole Miss, and Arky over the past 2 years, you can see why people are more than a little concerned about the direction that the program is heading



Your right focus on his SEC numbers......he is only one game worse than the TD proclaim god and savior NICK SATAN.........really they have not beat FLA and BAMA in the last two years.....please provide some team that has a WINNING record against UF and BAMA over the last two years......losing to OLE Miss two years in a row is not great but we should have won this year but we had the infamous spike.......and miles admited he screwed up and fixed it for the arky game.


I know miles has slacked over the last two years but stop judging and see what he can do with an experience QB running the show. Has anyone in recent history had a QB running the show with less than a year in a half in their college career produce better than 9 wins other than TEBOW.......

Posted by coachjude
roanoke
Member since Aug 2007
350 posts
Posted on 4/15/10 at 8:38 am to
quote:

I think alot of fans either dont see how bad of coaching we have because they dont know any better



Yeah you hit that one on the head I have no clue what im talking about.......I guess I didnt learn anything being a GA and coaching in the high school and college ranks for that last 6 years.......how about players making plays.....A SEC QB REALIZING THAT OH I HAVE ONE SECOND I SHOULD THROW IT UP NOT SPIKE. Some things u cant coach.

I think everything would be different if we wouldnt have lost a Junior QB and had to start over with freshmen.....I dont care what program you are that is hard to rebound from!
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 4/15/10 at 9:16 am to
Don't any of u remember Chris Leak his first yr. at Fla.
Posted by sharkfhin
Water
Member since Sep 2008
4984 posts
Posted on 4/15/10 at 9:19 am to
UNC neutral site - lose
@ Vandy - win
MSU - win
West Va -lose
Tenn - win
@ Florida - lose
McNeese State - win
ULM - win
@ Auburn - win
Bama -lose
@ Ark - lose
Ole Miss - win

7-5 at best....tenn/auburn are close ones....

Posted by luvmesumlsu
DFW
Member since Dec 2005
2320 posts
Posted on 4/15/10 at 9:21 am to
quote:

I know miles has slacked over the last two years but stop judging and see what he can do with an experience QB running the show


Which QB are you referring to?
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23324 posts
Posted on 4/15/10 at 9:27 am to
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Good idea. It's like the Wall Street Journal these days. Even though it's accurate, it's still no fun to read.
right because Nuts4LSU is so accurate in his assessment of a head football coach.
Posted by coachjude
roanoke
Member since Aug 2007
350 posts
Posted on 4/15/10 at 9:56 am to
quote:

Don't any of u remember Chris Leak his first yr. at Fla.


I agree chris leak at florida his freshmen year struggle too.......

Leak finished his freshman year with a Southeastern Conference record for a freshman going 6-3 as a starter
Posted by coachjude
roanoke
Member since Aug 2007
350 posts
Posted on 4/15/10 at 9:59 am to
quote:

I know miles has slacked over the last two years but stop judging and see what he can do with an experience QB running the show



Im referring to Jefferson......if he doesnt not produce this year and helps to make the offense better than we have a serious problem at QBcoach and with JJ........he will have one full season starting under his belt and two years of experience in the program.......If you remember right the past quarterback who had success at LSU had atleast 2 years experience in the program till they had to perform
Posted by coachjude
roanoke
Member since Aug 2007
350 posts
Posted on 4/15/10 at 10:12 am to
Well I figured out why our fanbase is in such a fuss.......Its because some people get NCAA 10 on PS3 or XBOX360 and they build a dynasty and LSU is the best so they all think they can do it in real life....give me a break the program is not in a decline we won two national championships in the last 8 years.....any program would love to win it once or even be close in that period.


Posted by Cheetah Flex
Big Island, Hawaii
Member since May 2008
10578 posts
Posted on 4/15/10 at 11:13 am to
[quote]UNC neutral site - 31-25 W
@ Vandy - W 34-13
MSU - W 30-13
West Va -W 35-21
Tenn - W 28-23
@ Florida - L 26-21
McNeese State - W 42-6
ULM - W 38-3
@ Auburn - W 27-17
Bama - W 24-21
@ Ark - L 35-26
Ole Miss - W 33-17

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