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re: More From Nikki Caldwell.......
Posted on 4/17/11 at 3:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/17/11 at 3:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
who gives a flying rat's arse frick about women's basketball ? the average sports fan could care less about UConn's shite over the last decade .. Gino had to defend them to the national media when they allegedly broke the UCLA men's record ..
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 3:31 pm to Bel Air Tiger
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so you admit that you're a male fan of women's college basketball...and you're bragging about that?
why so am I and even married to one
You are a male fan of women's college basketball, and you are married to another male fan of women's college basketball?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 3:41 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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You are a male fan of women's college basketball, and you are married to another male fan of women's college basketball?
hahaha, read it again w/o your inserting to another male. Just had an anniversary "with my female wife" and have a few kids as one runs college track.
Never know we had rowing teams and never heard of them
Posted on 4/17/11 at 3:45 pm to TigahRag
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who gives a flying rat's arse frick about women's basketball ?
Why you must Rag by contributing your ladies bball wisdom and insight to all TD Sunday participants -huh?
Thanks!
Posted on 4/17/11 at 3:53 pm to Bel Air Tiger
so what if you and your little cult like it ?? the mainstream, discretionary $$$ fan could give a frick .. enjoy the insane red ink budgeting that the sport gets thanks to title IX and shut the frick up ..
Posted on 4/17/11 at 3:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so you admit that you're a male fan of women's college basketball...and you're bragging about that
I'm a fan of women's college basketball and track and field. I'm also a fan of college football, men's college track and field, and men's college basketball. But saying so, doesn't constitute "bragging".
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there are 2 sports that matter in college athletics
Let me stop you right there Slow...........
There are NO college sports that "matter". It's all entertainment (for the fans) and extracurricular education / activity for the students. Quit taking ANY of it seriously. Be a fan and just enjoy. When sports start to "matter" then you've taken it a lot more serious than you need to.
That's why paying our women's basketball coach $700K/year makes good sense.
This post was edited on 4/17/11 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:00 pm to TigahRag
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enjoy the insane red ink budgeting that the sport gets thanks to title IX
hmmmm, one of those guys -huh? Well listen up, title IV extends to TD as well so at least we can agree on that
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:06 pm to lsualum96
Hey lsualum96, Im with you. I graduated in 1983 from LSU and remember the excitement that Sue Gunter brought it after having all the years with Barbara Swanner. No doubt Nikki brings excitement and I believe that Women's basketball , if a winner, will put butts in the seats. Again, when I started going to the LSU baseball games my sophomore year, you could sit wherever you wanted just by showing your student ID. My oh my what winning will do to change a program . Brodhead made that commitment with Bertman and I believe that Alleva has made that commitment with Caldwell. 
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:17 pm to lsualum96
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That's why paying our women's basketball coach $700K/year makes good sense.
It will only make sense if she produces, and to what degree. Will Coach Caldwell win, and will she sell enough tickets to counterbalance her salary?
To be honest, I still think we overpaid for Saban when we initially hired him, but that story had a happy, and profitable ending. I hope the Caldwell hire has a similar outcome.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:25 pm to windhammontanatigers
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Hey lsualum96, Im with you.
Agree with you both and alum seems to keep up pretty well. Seems like we need a super star somehow to help support the talent we already have. But I don't hear the bugles.
It appeared the two Frosh bigs were good but never saw them in action last year...needed more experience?
And I'm not sure how well any of the bigs will run including our promoted incoming star, although TP showed signs of good ball handling?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:25 pm to HonoraryCoonass
Well no matter what, women's basketball will never make money. TV contracts don't pay enough because the market doesn't call for it.
Also, for people comparing it to the other women's sports .... none of those coaches are making 700K. Add on to the fact that women's basketball has a net loss MUCH greater than any of the other women's sports.
I'd rather that 2 million be used for men's basketball where national exposure actually matters and generates income.
Also, for people comparing it to the other women's sports .... none of those coaches are making 700K. Add on to the fact that women's basketball has a net loss MUCH greater than any of the other women's sports.
I'd rather that 2 million be used for men's basketball where national exposure actually matters and generates income.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:28 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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It will only make sense if she produces, and to what degree.
Well, to the degree that the athletic department believes she she should produce. Considering her salary, I would imagine they expect her to at least produce to the degree that Pokey did........and that's a lot.
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Will Coach Caldwell win, and will she sell enough tickets to counterbalance her salary?
I don't think that they hired her with the requirement that she sell enough tickets to counterbalance her salary. She doesn't need to sell tickets to pay her salary. The money is already in the coffers of the athletic department. Her salary will be paid for the length of her contract, regardless of the outcome. However, I'm sure that they paid her that salary with the expectation that she'll be successful. I think they made a smart investment in that respect.
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I'd rather that 2 million be used for men's basketball where national exposure actually matters and generates income.
Well George, thank you for your opinion.
It's duly noted.
This post was edited on 4/17/11 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:34 pm to lsualum96
Keep living in your fantasy world where college athletics isn't a business.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:48 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Well George for your info most universities lose money in every sport other than men's basketball and football. LSU does make money in baseball, but by your logic if only a university was to make money in sports then all those other programs in the SEC that lose money in baseball should drop their programs. That would make LSU lose money in theirs. It all works together the + and - . Since it bothers you so much, quit contributong your money to LSU, problem solved.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 4:55 pm to lsualum96
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I don't think that they hired her with the requirement that she sell enough tickets to counterbalance her salary. She doesn't need to sell tickets to pay her salary.
If she can't increase ticket sales, why wouldn't hiring somebody at half the cost have made more sense? Don't you think ticket sales should/do come up in the negotiations with all our coaches? I guess this is where we'll always just differ.
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I'm sure that they paid her that salary with the expectation that she'll be successful. I think they made a smart investment in that respect.
Suppose they had offered her a contract with a base pay of, say $400K, with incentives and bonuses that could bump the package to $900 or more if she meets certain expectations of wins, tournament success, ticket sales and gradutations?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:04 pm to LSU6969
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Well George for your info most universities lose money in every sport other than men's basketball and football. LSU does make money in baseball, but by your logic if only a university was to make money in sports then all those other programs in the SEC that lose money in baseball should drop their programs.
Athletics departments certainly know that some of their sports are going to be financial liabilities. The question they have to weigh is how much are they willing to lose and why?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:07 pm to LSU6969
You don't get it. I understand the sport will lose money... what I don't think you can justify is paying a coach 700K a year when that sport is losing so so much money.
You think the women's gymnastics coach makes that kind of bread? Where do you draw the line? How is that good business?
You think the women's gymnastics coach makes that kind of bread? Where do you draw the line? How is that good business?
Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:11 pm to HonoraryCoonass
HC-- agreed. Actually everybody would have been happy(even George), maybe, if they would have only paid a coach 300K to come here. So they decided to spend an extra 400k to get Nikki. I believe if she creates a winning program of Final Four caliber that she would bring in more than the 400k that we're spending extra. See it's not about making money so to speak it's about losing less. I think she will help us lose less.
Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:13 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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If she can't increase ticket sales, why wouldn't hiring somebody at half the cost have made more sense? Don't you think ticket sales should/do come up in the negotiations with all our coaches?
Because, as its been stated in numerous other threads, there are more benefits to having a successful athletics program, than just having a successful football or basketball program. And honestly, I don't think ticket sales came up in the negotiations with any coaches. Ticket sales are something that coaches cannot control. Wins, losses and championships are things they can control..................and if you notice, this is generally the incentives in most coaches contracts, not ticket sales.
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Suppose they had offered her a contract with a base pay of, say $400K, with incentives and bonuses that could bump the package to $900 or more if she meets certain expectations of wins, tournament success, ticket sales and gradutations
Actually, they COULD have offered that. But then, they run into the problem of market value. A package like that wouldn't have been enough to inspire her to leave UCLA. So, LSU had to pay MARKET VALUE to get the coach they wanted. I'm not saying its right or wrong. But it is what it is. I'm glad that LSU is willing to pay market value for coaches. In fact, it's kinda ironic that she came from UCLA because that's an institution that for the most part, DOESN'T like to pay coaches market value. That's why they have so many problems hiring football coaches.
This post was edited on 4/17/11 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:21 pm to lsualum96
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Because, as its been stated in numerous other threads, there are more benefits to having a successful athletics program, than just having a successful football or basketball program.
If you can name them, I might agree. So name them.
College athletics is about making money now. We live in a world where college athletics is a business. Football and men's basketball are the money makers, and luckily for LSU, baseball too.
So if you can name the benefits of a great women's basketball, tennis and softball team let me know. You can add to that men's golf, swimming and diving and whatever else. What are the benefits?
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