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re: Miles Contract

Posted on 9/5/10 at 7:01 pm to
Posted by TGK4LSU
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2005
2708 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 7:01 pm to
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You must be a complete idiot, would like to be in USC's position just to fire Miles


I was referring to Guilbeau's story. He was suggesting NCAA violations would help LSU rid themselves of Miles cheaper. While noboby would be dumb enough to wish for a USC type of penalty, one would question the validity of a minor violation being used to fire Miles with cause.
Posted by TGK4LSU
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2005
2708 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 7:10 pm to
quote:

I'm telling you the Pennington Family will buy out his contract if the LSU administration moves forward with getting rid of Miles if and when it ever takes place.


I did hear that LSU had the funds from several big donors last year to buy him out, but Gov. Jindal didn't think that would be prudent given the perception this would send given the state of the economy and prevented his firing. Considering who informed me of this, I believe it to be true.

Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 7:12 pm to
LSU should really make it a school policy not to extend athletic contracts beyond four years with a maximum extension of two for each contract to be determined only until the end of the third year.

These types of situations are avoidable but they are usually made by the Athletic Director and TAF. LSU only pays a small percentage of his salary and only that amount is subject to Department of Administration review. I think LSU pays only 300K per year and the rest is written off under Foundation funds. So it's more about the Foundations having the money than LSU itself. Original fact I know LOL
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 7:16 pm to
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I did hear that LSU had the funds from several big donors last year to buy him out, but Gov. Jindal didn't think that would be prudent given the perception this would send given the state of the economy and prevented his firing. Considering who informed me of this, I believe it to be true.


I'm going to personally certify this as bullshite because his contract is only a small portion of State Funds, which is not anyway close to 15MM. LSU may be on the hook for about 1MM but the rest is foundation. Also, Jindal has no input into that decision. If anybody would have a say it's the Athletic Dept/LSU board of regents and the Commissioner of Administration/Director of OCR
Posted by TGK4LSU
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2005
2708 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 7:57 pm to
quote:

I'm going to personally certify this as bullshite because his contract is only a small portion of State Funds


Jindal was concerned about PERCEPTION, not state funds. READ the post. Also, Jindal recently been criticized for sticking his nose in LSU business, so don't discount his influence with LSU athletics
Posted by lsufan112001
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
11059 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 7:59 pm to
That's why I keep wanting Rich Rod to lose...but we might as well face the fact- we are stuck with Miles for another 2 years, win or lose...
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no way can LSU afford to buy out this ridiculous contract. Now about 3 years ago with a good economy, i could see it. No one is gonna shell out that kind of money, unless the team quits on it (ala Dinardo). 8-4 he stays, all there is to it...
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
33380 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 8:00 pm to
quote:

Don't remember how many years are left, but it's too many. Buy out is 14 mil, I believe. Money well spent??


This topic was wrung out pretty well at the end of last season. I'm not going to go back and look at the contract but I don't think it's 14 mil at this point. Les didn't get a rollover in 08 or 09.
Posted by athletemed
The Woodlands, Texas
Member since Oct 2007
5871 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 8:09 pm to
The key term is "terminate without cause"....that is legalese that makes it up to the Admins when to fire his arse and it will up to the courts (in Louisiana) if cause is an 8 win season....

There isn't going to be a buyout if he gets fired for lack of performance...hell, a good lawyer could use the DJ McCarthy incident last year as "cause" and his lack of control over his coaching staff....
This post was edited on 9/5/10 at 8:12 pm
Posted by Pecanisle
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
43 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 8:23 pm to
He has 3 years left. Ir has not been rolled over in 3 years. Buyout is around $9 MM
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37592 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 9:28 pm to
quote:

Buy out is 14 mil


Nope, it is the amount of money he is due in the remaining portion of his contract.

If as some suspect he has two years left on his contract after this season then Miles' buyout would be in the neighborhood of $8Mil.

LSU also has five years to pay it.

That said, buyouts are rarely paid in full for a variety of reasons. They are negotiated.
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37592 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 9:36 pm to
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Including this year, yes. After this year it will be two.


I know Crowton will have two years left on his contract but is it guaranteed? The entire amount?
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37592 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

He's got four years, with an additional year tacked on every time the Tigers win 8 games


The extra year is at the discretion of the board.
Posted by TigerHax
Red Stick
Member since Nov 2008
598 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 9:49 pm to
LSU athletic dept does not have the money to buy out Miles' contract and therefore will not. So I know he is not what this program needs but we therant nation do not get to make that call so we all have to fricking deal with it. Hopefully our talent will just outshine the shitty coaching.
Posted by LSUinMA
Commerce, Texas
Member since Nov 2008
4947 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 10:05 pm to
I'm trying to think of precedent among major programs for firing coaches after winning seasons. Zook was fired at Florida for going 8-5, 8-5, and then 7-4, but he didn't have a NC. Hackett at USC was cut loose after three years of mediocrity, but the last year was a 5-7. Mackovic got fired in Texas, but again, last year under .500.

Ah, I got it. John Cooper. 8-4 in 2000 at OSU.



Posted by Brendoni
Oklahoma City, Ok
Member since Apr 2009
22214 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 10:11 pm to
if LSU paid the full buyout at around $8 million, they could pay it out over 5 years. it's possible both sides would agree to a lower amount too. they have 5 years to pay out $8 which comes to $1.6 per year. offer a coach $2.2 per year and pay miles his $1.6 and you are paying no more than what miles is being paid now. also, from what i have been told les can't sit around for 5 years and not look for another job. once he finds another job LSU has to pay the difference in what he makes and what he is owed so the yearly amount would drop. money isn't the issue (or so i've been told).
This post was edited on 9/5/10 at 10:15 pm
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37592 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 10:11 pm to
Larry Coker
Frank Solich
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 10:22 pm to
We're stuck with him until 2012 - period. Get use to it.

Spend more time with the kids; take an extra vacation; read that book you've meaning to read.

See you for the 2013 season....

Posted by LSUinMA
Commerce, Texas
Member since Nov 2008
4947 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 10:25 pm to
Larry Coker
Frank Solich

Those didn't work out great. Bill Callahan.

Randy Shannon has been decent. but it's not like the U has regained its former dominance.

Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 10:34 pm to
quote:

I wasn't happy when he won the NC and we threw some big contract at him....knew it was a mistake. Too bad he isn't trashing Michigans program right now.


Yeah, you just knew that the coach that won the NC was destined for his current state. Give me a break. If you didn't think that winning the NC warranted a contract extension (we've won a grand total of 3 in sixty years so give me a fricking break) then you were always wanting the guy to fail.

Simple fact of the matter is that he did win a NC in 2007, whether you liked it or not. And when you win a NC, you get a contract extension and you get paid well. Needless to say, he's done jack shite since but we made a decision based on the best info at the time, and at the time, the guy had just won the NC and rolled OSU in the process.
Posted by LSU0407
Avon, CO
Member since Sep 2009
330 posts
Posted on 9/5/10 at 10:37 pm to
quote:

The buyout would be so much that we couldn't even hire a new head football coach next year. Every fan in Lousisiana would have to empty their 401k and donate it to TAF before we could even think about getting another coach.



You have to be kidding me. LSU has more than enough money to spend. LSU has the money to go out and get any coach that they want.
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